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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg we're back from

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the minds of gene Steinberg and the

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trickster ish mind of Chris O'Brien

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by the way Chris's new site the updated

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version of our strange planet com debut

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this week a few glitches but we're

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getting it mostly working much better

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much faster loads much faster on your

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Mac or PC or Linux box and we're going

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to be adding a lot more stuff such as a

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shopping cart system so you can buy one

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of the Chris's great books it's all

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coming in a few days meantime we've got

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the basic thing up there yeah yeah

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that's that's that's that's big that's

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huge I love the new site one of our

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lifting spent quite a bit of time

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getting a beautiful new site up

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WordPress style and I'm really looking

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forward to starting to plug in a lot of

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material and the San Luis Valley camera

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project live feed will be the first

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addition to our strange planet once we

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get all the bugs worked out its kind of

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complicated to do it and the way we're

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QuickTime which works on a Mac a PC or a

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figure that out we'll figure out

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something a gift scheme that everybody

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can see it meantime if you're a new

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in touch with us and it's very simple to

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forum dot the power cast com when we

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have a guest scheduled Chris how's that

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work well what we do Jean is we put up a

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question Bank thread which invites

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listeners to the show to submit

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questions for our guests and as soon as

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we know that we're going to be taping a

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show with a particular guest we then put

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a question thread up there and that's it

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that's a chance for our listeners to get

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there you know own personal particular

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questions answered since we're not a

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live show this is the best way that

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we've figured out to include you know

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our many listeners in the process we've

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got quite a number of questions for

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today's guest who it looks like and one

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reason why we don't use live calls and

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we could we have a way that the network

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can schedule a time for us to receive

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live calls but what that would mean is

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that first of all it would force you

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listeners to be available at a specific

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date and time and we know you live

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around the world so somebody from

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Australia may have to get up early in

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the morning whereas somebody in Phoenix

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will do it in the evening it really

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doesn't work being able to post the

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questions in advance you can edit your

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questions make sure they're properly

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phrased it makes it easier to express

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yourself with the time on your hands the

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other thing is of course sometimes we

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book against to the last minute because

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of the change of events or a guest

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amount of time in the case of our guests

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whom will announce shortly we had over a

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week for you to ask your questions now

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last week we talked to Bryce Abel and

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rich Dolan about their book ad after

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disclosure and you know that Chris and I

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have been skeptical about disclosure but

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whatever causes the truth about UFOs to

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be known what would the impact be on our

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society so what's your assessment Chris

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well I thought I thought Bryson rich did

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a really good job opening up the

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discussion and and looking at some of

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the the points that I think most most

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people really don't think about when it

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comes to the subject of disclosure and

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the implications of that I think they

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did a very good job illustrating the

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nuances I guess for lack of a better

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word that are involved in this whole

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topic and I did not come out and really

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voice my opinion about the the actual

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subject of disclosure and and how I

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don't feel that there's a snowball's

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chance in hell for that to ever happen

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the US government's been lying to us for

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60 years even if they did disclose how

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could we believe them I really wanted to

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give Bryce and rich

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the time and the attention to to go

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ahead and list out the things that they

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felt were important about this issue and

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I thought they represented the whole the

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whole idea very very well and they

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brought me a little bit back towards the

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center not much but a little

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and I I do really appreciate the amount

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of work and thought that went into their

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book and and we've had a really good

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response I think from the show and look

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forward to having them back it felt like

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that two hours just zip by and and I

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really you know I think it's worthy of a

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of a part two don't you I think so and I

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think we will have them back to answer

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more of your questions but the point

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being here is we don't know what the

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government knows about UFOs any

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government we don't know if they have

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guilty knowledge we don't for example

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know if that any of our developments and

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technology have been reverse-engineered

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from alien technology and that brought

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us back to of course the story of Philip

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Corso and the book the day after Roswell

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very controversial a lot of people think

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the book was just too fake and I guess

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you can understand why because there

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were a lot of errors or inconsistencies

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in the book and what this particular

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episode and the session we had which

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Dolan made me feel is that it may be

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that full of Corsos book suffered from

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the fact that he was getting on in years

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maybe a lot of the information he

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provided was imprecise the editing was

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rushed loads of errors creeped in there

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the publisher didn't do their due

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diligence and do proper fact-checking

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whatever there may still be a story

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there that we be curious to know more

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about yeah well I think the jury's still

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out on the amount of involvement that of

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course those co-author bill burns you

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know we're course those version of

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events and in Burns's version of them

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started I do know open minds has

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published the original manuscript that

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Corso you know compiled and then use

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that as the basis for his corroboration

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with burns I haven't personally gone in

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and and done a

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real intensive comparison between the

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two versions but I do think that there a

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point that there was a looming deadline

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of the 50th anniversary of Roswell and

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you know they may have cut some corners

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and cut to the chase a little bit trying

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to finish the book in time but yeah it's

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possible that's why they brought onboard

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bill birnes who is someone who was a

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professional writer and can graph the

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compelling story and so where things

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were unclear he just wrote without going

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into detail of the content but I think

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looking at the original manuscript would

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be helpful and maybe we'll do that and

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see if it's worth further exploration or

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maybe it's just the red herring

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something had happened we had this old

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man at the end of his years who wanted

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to make himself look more impressive

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than he otherwise would have been well

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they brought up a very good point that

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of course those reputation was sterling

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and that he was able to get someone as

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prestigious as Strom Thurmond to write

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the foreword to the book of course time

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and then when he once he found out what

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it was being used for I think he had

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that foreword pulled from the subsequent

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editions but but still that's what

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bothers me that's what bothers me about

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this whole case is the fact that Corso

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whatever they thought of him and maybe

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they thought of him as being you know

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difficult to deal with whatever forget

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about the personality quirks

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whatever it is here's somebody who

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accumulated some really good credentials

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why would he just throw it all the way

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with a book about flying saucers saying

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that he was part of this plan to send

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alien technology into private industry

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who knows but we are gonna look at

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secrets today because we're going to

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look at a book from our old friend Nick

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Redfern called the pyramids and the

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Pentagon and he always has these long

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subtitles so this is one of the longer

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subtitles we've seen the government's

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top secret pursuit of mystical relics

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ancient astronauts and lost

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civilizations yeah I like that I think

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it's a good title yeah and I know Nick's

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a good guest he's one of my favorite

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guests and this is gonna be a

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fascinating show today June

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it's gonna cover a whole lot of ground

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you know because it covers such things

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as how the secret files in the CIA what

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do they reveal about Noah's Ark and the

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Dead Sea Scrolls

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that's trying to sound like Indiana

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Jones you know the original yep

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Indiana Jones movie Raiders of the Lost

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Ark where they stick it in a warehouse

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13 beneath the government beneath the

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Smithsonian or something and all these

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things are never to be seen again what

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kind of secrets do they have army

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documents about Egyptian pyramids UFOs

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at Stonehenge ancient astronauts Wow

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Vimanas nuclear war in the ancient past

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dancing megalithic sites there's good

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stuff

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joining gene and Chris you're in the

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cast with gene and Chris we welcome back

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an old friend Nick Redfern who is also

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by the way one of our guests co-host

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that means on rare occasion he's going

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to take over if Chris's lost somewhere

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in the mysterious Valley but our

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friendly prolific author has a book with

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a top secret label on top which means of

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course I can't hold it now and I have to

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hide it no seriously it's called the

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pyramids in the Pentagon the

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government's top secret pursuit of

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mystical relics ancient astronauts and

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lost civilizations so Nick welcome back

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to the power cast the big question here

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is your quest to find what the

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government knows and when do they know

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it

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how'd you get started on this well I

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mean it's a story that for me at least

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sort of goes back about ten years ago

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when the CIA Declassified into the

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public domain through the Freedom of

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Information Act literally only about

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seven or eight pages but they're

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intriguing papers on something that

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became known as the Ararat anomaly and

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the Ararat anomaly is this sort of weird

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formation that some people say is the

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remains of Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat

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other people say it's just like a weird

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rock formation or whatever you know who

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knows what it is but the CIA have been

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rumors for years that they had been sort

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of looking for Noah's Ark whatever

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reason you know that's the more

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intriguing question

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and in response to various Freedom of

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Information requests they released a few

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snippets of material and I kind of found

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this interest there's no smoking gun in

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there as such so what I did was to sort

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of follow up with that and actually any

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of getting sort of 50 60 pages over the

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course of the next few years which sort

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of filled in more and more gaps and then

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I began to realize that the official

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world if you like it sort of been

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delving into a lot of other ancient and

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sort of archaeological and historical

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mysteries as well many sort of related

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to ancient astronauts religious issues

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ancient civilizations that sort of thing

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so now basically thought well you know a

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lot of books are being written on the

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whole quote ancient astronauts ancient

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aliens angle but nobody it sort of

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really touched upon like a book claimed

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what the government knows about the

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subject so I figured we know why not try

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and do that and you know I sort of spent

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five or six years collecting material

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then sort of spent the last 18 months or

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so just sort of cranking it out and

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whatever now one of the things I notice

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here in the highlights I got from the PR

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agency ahead of actually getting in the

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book we're at the beginning you talk

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about the CIA's top-secret files again

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about Noah's Ark and also by the Dead

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Sea Scrolls as I mentioned to Chris in

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our previous segment this started me

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thinking about Indiana Jones well yeah I

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mean I actually start the book sort of

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using the Raiders of the Lost Ark story

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is a parallel because you know the the

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final few minutes of Raiders of the Lost

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Ark shows the governed the US government

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basically acquiring the Ark of the

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Covenant which is the Ark in the film

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and take it in a way to this sort of

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hangar 18 tide warehouse where instead

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of being studied and examine or whatever

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it's just putting like a wooden crate

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nailed down and loaded up with a bunch

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of other you know things that are also

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locked in in crates etc and so you know

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the although the movie obviously is

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fiction you know the analogy is there

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that government agencies have taken an

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interest in mysterious artifacts of the

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past and you know if they acquired some

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of them then they got to be stored

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somewhere that was the reason for using

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that to sort of show you know that

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fact that old analogy of fact page range

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of in fiction now in the case of Raiders

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of the Lost Ark of course they buried it

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as you say hangar 18 or warehouse 13

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whatever it's called they bury the

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technology so can we assume here that if

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the US government using a fictional film

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obviously acquire some sort of advanced

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technology or some mysterious ancient

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artifact

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they'll simply hide it away out of sight

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out of mind as long as nobody else gets

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access no actually don't think that is

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the case I think one of the things I

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point out in the conclusion of the book

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you know or address is the issue of well

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why on earth would the government be

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interested in the mysteries of past you

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know there's no way it's just a further

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our knowledge of archeology history and

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you know the mysteries of the past that

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that's not what the government's

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businesses so there's obviously got to

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be something else the one trend that

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seems to run through everything is that

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they were looking at the idea that you

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know did the sort of the world of the

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past thousands of years ago of access to

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technologies that we've either last

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forgotten about or just plain don't know

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you know that they may exist 2,000 years

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ago and they're gone

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so it's clear that they were trying to

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understand sort of weapons of the past

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and and weaponized history if you like

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weaponize ancient archaeology as a tool

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of warfare for the present and the

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future so no I don't think there it was

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a case at all of them just putting this

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information away and filing it and

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forgetting about it it was trying to

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actively do something and you know the

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main action of governments is spending

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money on warfare and you know so it

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makes sense to imagine that that was the

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side effect of digging into these areas

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was to you know to weaponize it all

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right little R&D action research and

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development try to back engineer the

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technology and utilize it for whatever

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purposes that they can figure out that

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it could be used for the Ark of the

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Covenant would be an obvious example of

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course Raiders of the Lost Ark goes into

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a fanciful kind of look at the potential

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for the for the Ark's power based on on

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what's you know written in the Bible

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what do you think Nick do you think that

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just is a blanket sort of way sort of a

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general way do you think that we did

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have some sort of ancient technology in

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the past that was exalted yeah I mean I

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honestly

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we do believe that but what I don't

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think I don't think there was like a

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civilization or civilizations thirty

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forty thousand years ago that were

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exactly like ours where they had

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computers TVs cars very quibbling the

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747s or whatever because the entirety of

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that to be obliterated and as find no

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evidence of it is just not feasible and

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if and it's also not feasible for the

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government to be able to shut down every

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archaeological site around the planet

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or even stop somebody digging in their

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backyard and stumbling across something

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but the fact is for the most part we

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haven't found sort of telltale sign of a

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hugely advanced culture but what I do

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think is the ancients had access to

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technologies that ironically in some

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ways were far more in advance of what

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we've got today but in a different way

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you know we're not going to find I don't

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think an old equivalent of a hard drive

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your honor you know

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1990s floppy disk or something but all

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around the world in ancient cultures you

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hear stories about how the ancients had

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sort of fantastic in almost magical ways

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they were described to move vast stones

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multi-ton stones over vast distances and

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even into the air a lot of cultures have

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these stores that levitating stones and

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and I actually think there's something

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to this I think when you look at all of

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these stories whether it's England

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Stonehenge South America with the Myers

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being because even Egypt they talked

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about and even Roman Greece they talk

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about the stones being lifted by what

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was described as magical music or

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whistling or to the sound of a musical

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instruments which all of this is sort of

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related to the technology of acoustics

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now the military today this research in

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this area the idea of using acoustics

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and frequencies where you can direct

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them and actually sort of levitate our

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small objects within the you know that

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sort of the frequency wave and sort of

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buffer them back and forth with the

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sound waves to balance them and if you

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look at it from that perspective I

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actually think I mean how they did it

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that's a different question but I think

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a lot of these are answers to the

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questions about very baffling questions

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about you know hundred tone down rocks

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Wayne and Stones Wayne hundred tonnes

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two hundred tons you know how did they

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move them and I think the ancients had

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whatever means or you know mode that's a

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different thing but I think they had

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Redfern on the para cast this week we

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have the book the pyramids and the

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Pentagon and we're looking into possible

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ancient technologies and maybe what the

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government knows and when did they know

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it perhaps now when you talk about these

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ancient technologies let's look at our

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technology and something happened and

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our civilization went from where it is

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now to ruin if we came here 3040

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thousand years later and looked

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everything up new civilization develops

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on earth how much would we see of our

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present civilization then well yeah I

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mean I think also it does depend on you

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know the level of devastation that

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destroyed the previous civilization you

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know if a virus wipes us out you know

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the human race

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well not everything else remains intact

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so you know there would be massive

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evidence of that if there was a

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worldwide nuclear war then you know the

714
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evidence would be fairly scarce so you

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know you can look at it from that angle

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as well and that's one of the

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interesting things you know with the

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further we look back we find also

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stories like for example from ancient

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India where a lot of their texts and

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legends you know talk about these

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battles in the sky using what we're

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known as Vimanas but sound basically

724
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like when you read the translations like

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ancient equivalents of top gun fighters

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you know during battle and with nuclear

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tipped missiles and destroying cities

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and

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in radiation poisoning people who have

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this the old manuscripts talk about

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troops soldiers sort of running into the

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water to cleanse themselves and their

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fingernails dropping out and all sorts

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of things like huge explosions and you

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know massive balls of light and fire in

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the sky and the ground rumbling and when

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you read it it sounds you know it's like

738
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somebody is describing ancient nuclear

739
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warfare albeit at a restricted sort of

740
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localized level in India rather than you

741
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know a worldwide King and and that

742
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wouldn't surprise me you know I'm not

743
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sure if I accept the notion of a massive

744
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worldwide culture all around the planet

745
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but flourished and totally vanished but

746
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I would be far more inclined to accept

747
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indirect said that that probably were

748
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localized civilizations that had

749
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achieved a great deal of technology that

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you know far in our ways anything that

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we you know conventional science and

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history tells us today and probably big

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flourish but and they are more likely to

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vanish you know if they were just

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localized rather than you know all

756
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across the entire world yes but I wonder

757
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about that if a civilization is that

758
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highly advanced wouldn't they be

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travelling around the world as they said

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to spread the joy or explore I mean yeah

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I mean you could argue that but I mean

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then on the other hand we're looking at

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that from our perspective you know it's

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kind of like I mean you look at any

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civilization on the planet today they

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have different attitudes to different

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things I live in America now until I was

768
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36 I lived in the UK we speak the same

769
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language with the countries in vastly

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different and the way people go about

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their lives is vastly different you know

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if so if we're talking about 40,000

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years ago you know what would go through

774
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the mind of the average person who he's

775
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brought up in a culture that for all

776
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intents and purposes you know it could

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be almost alien to us you know that yes

778
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there would be human but depending what

779
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they believed and you know how they

780
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lived you know who knows what you know

781
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would have gone through that mind in

782
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terms of how they sort of lived their

783
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lives so can we look at this it's

784
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:44,989
possibly earth people reaching these

785
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pinnacles of civilization only to have

786
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something bring it down or some

787
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:51,229
influenced by some outside force or

788
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:54,290
intelligence well I mean I don't think

789
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only has to be one or the other I mean I

790
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think I don't think anybody doubts that

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you know the human race is sort of

792
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,080
fairly self-destructive at the best of

793
00:31:08,170 --> 00:31:05,840
times you know so an argument could be

794
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:08,180
made that maybe it's just simply the

795
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:11,330
natural course of things that when you

796
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:13,340
know at a certain period you know each

797
00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:15,290
civilization Rita Critic reaches a

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00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,540
critical tipping points where it

799
00:31:21,250 --> 00:31:19,520
survives or it doesn't and because we

800
00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:21,260
have no evidence of massive cultures

801
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:23,870
before ours on a level of ours that

802
00:31:28,990 --> 00:31:26,270
suggests one or two things either they

803
00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:29,000
didn't exist which I don't buy or they

804
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:30,920
destroyed themselves or got destroyed I

805
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:32,870
mean I mean look at our planet now you

806
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:35,270
know the civilization is getting bigger

807
00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:37,250
and bigger the people are getting bigger

808
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:38,630
and bigger the Health's getting worse

809
00:31:43,330 --> 00:31:41,450
you know I mean that this how do you see

810
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:43,340
things on the news like for example the

811
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:44,990
age limit has gone up you know it's like

812
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:47,210
80 or something now what a lot of these

813
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:49,280
shows don't tell you is that you know

814
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:50,630
they're now saying that for the first

815
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time in American history you know the

816
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kids are being born or after the

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lifespans gonna go down because they're

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going to be you know diabetic and sick

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by the time they're 15 because they do

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nothing they go nowhere they don't ride

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the bikes around town anymore you know

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they just sit in the house and eat and

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play on the computer so in other words

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you know we have that problem we have

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overpopulation we have resources being

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used up you know this won't go on

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forever you know it's like the guy

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drinks a bottle of vodka a day

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conceivably dough for a month you keep

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doing it something's going to give out

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in the end you know and I think that's

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the same we'd have a civilization

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anybody who looks at it are we the good

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old human race it'll all be okay well no

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it won't

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something will happen it will be a

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critical tipping point one way or the

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other now one of the things you explore

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in the book is the government's reasons

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for being interested in these ancient

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technologies lost civilizations etc I

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guess the obvious thing of course is to

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find technology is that a big part of it

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oh yeah I mean I would go almost as far

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as to say that that's the only part of

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it

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there isn't contrary to what a lot of

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people might think you know there isn't

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an agency of the US government that sort

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of goes around just China or any

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government really you know just trying

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to preserve archaic

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or whatever for the sake of it you know

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there are agencies that get funded to do

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that sort of thing but in terms of like

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an official agency of the government

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that you know charges will headlong all

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around the planet just trying to you

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know preserve this or not that that

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doesn't happen so it has to be another

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motivation what's interesting is that

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with regard to this whole theory about

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placing like the pyramids and some of

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the Mayan and Inca structure structures

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being built via what in simple terms you

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know we would call levitation or

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anti-gravity if you like back in the

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1950s one author and researcher was very

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heavily involved in this and actually

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came to that conclusion was a man named

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Morris Jessup he wrote a number of books

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including case for the UFO and several

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others ok just yes now it's an

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00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:54,740
interesting story about him because he

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allegedly committed suicide in a park in

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Florida allegedly that's right here I

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mean this is a weird story because

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Jessup was a guy who basically had two

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prime interests one being UFOs and the

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other one being the mysteries of the

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past and the more he dug into them he

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came to perceive them as being joined

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you know there was a combined thing he

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spent extensive time in South America

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you know looking around they all drew

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and Jesse went out there and check them

887
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all out and began writing about how in

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this book the case for the UFO that he

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concluded the ancient man did have

890
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access to some sort of levitation

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technology now what happened was that a

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guy named Carlos Allende who claimed to

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be involved in the Philadelphia

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00:34:40,330 --> 00:34:38,090
Experiment so this goes down sort of

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other pathways bought a copy of Jessup's

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book and filled it with all sorts of

897
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:45,290
weird annotations about levitation and

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the Philadelphia Experiment and censored

899
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:50,480
an ominous anonymously to a scientific

900
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:52,820
division in the US Navy they wondered

901
00:34:56,649 --> 00:34:54,260
what on earth they got their hands on

902
00:34:59,770 --> 00:34:56,659
track Jessup down and invited him out to

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DC where they basically grilled him all

904
00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:01,760
about the information a lot of people

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00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:03,860
have said that you know the Navy was

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concerned that Jessup was getting too

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close to the truth about the

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Philadelphia experiments because Allende

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claims have been involved in it this

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sort of vanishing ship etc but when you

911
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read a lot of people don't take the time

912
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to read all the annotations in the book

913
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:19,070
most of them have nothing to do with the

914
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Philadelphia Experiment that's sort of

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like a red herring that

916
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everybody said and everybody's that

917
00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:24,860
assumed if you read all the annotations

918
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,620
a good 90% of them a focused around

919
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:30,560
ancient technologies levitation and old

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civilizations that flourished and

921
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vanished so we could make the argument

922
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but that was the reason for the Navy's

923
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interest in jessup was this sort of

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levitating technology and that would tie

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in you know with weapons etc well you

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see what bothered me is the so called

927
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vero edition of the case for the UFO

928
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which has been published I mean there

929
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are copies available that you can see

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the annotations but didn't carlos

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Allende or Carl M Allen whatever his

932
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name was supposed to be later on confess

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he was just goofing on us well yeah I

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mean you know he was I think the

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Philadelphia experiments an interesting

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strands and threads and different people

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who said they knew about it one of them

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was al ND who's the guy who got more

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publicity than anybody else but he's

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quite clear that you know his story is

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full of holes but he wasn't the only one

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you know to talk about this I mean other

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people have come forward on the record

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as well to say you know they either saw

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Redfern wrote a book called the pyramids

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co-host is Chris O'Brien on the para

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cast and we got into I guess another can

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of worms here the Philadelphia

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Experiment now there have been fictional

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movies about what happened as we know

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that is an original Philadelphia

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experiment and then a sequel yeah that's

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right and I mean you know the stories

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tells like a fantastic sensationalized

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from the forties to the 80s and back and

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forth and I mean you know it's a cool

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film I mean you know to what extent any

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of this is based in reality that's the

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big question

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and that was something that Maurice

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Jessup tried to find out and this guy

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Carlos Allende or Carl Allen he had

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several aliases claimed to have

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witnessed one of the experiments where

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supposedly a warship vanished and then

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sort of reappeared now I think the fact

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that the Navy took so much interest I

1086
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:08,280
mean they they paid to have Jessup flown

1087
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:10,470
into DC they paid his hotel room his

1088
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:12,510
meals a night before his breakfast his

1089
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:14,220
flight back home covered all these

1090
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:17,070
expenses that to me suggests this wasn't

1091
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:18,810
as the Navy claims today but nobody

1092
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:21,210
doesn't dispute they jesse was flown in

1093
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,370
and interviewed and the copies of the

1094
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:25,200
book were made 25 copies of his book

1095
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,910
would run off by this company called the

1096
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:28,680
barrel corporation just outside Dallas

1097
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,170
they don't deny that but they their

1098
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,560
position is that the two guys the two US

1099
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Navy scientific guys that interviewed

1100
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:39,690
Jessup did so out of hours and on their

1101
00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:42,510
own free time and in the neighbors view

1102
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:44,580
is that whatever its employees do in

1103
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:46,260
their spare time is their business and

1104
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:48,270
not the neighbors but the fact is it was

1105
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,620
the Navy who picked up the tab for

1106
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:52,140
everything even the 25 copies to be

1107
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:53,970
printed so that story doesn't really

1108
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,310
hold water and what I do think is that

1109
00:43:01,520 --> 00:42:59,280
even if Carla cilenti was a con man I

1110
00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:01,530
think he picked up strands of a real

1111
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:03,030
event ran with it

1112
00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:05,610
publish the information in sort of wrote

1113
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:08,030
all this information in the copy of

1114
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,200
Jessup's book that he got send it to the

1115
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:12,780
navy somebody in the Navy

1116
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,460
hang on you know this guy whoever it is

1117
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:16,800
he's got snippets of what that thing we

1118
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,470
did back in 43 let's find out what's

1119
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,540
going on and then they pulled in Jessup

1120
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:24,060
to grill him but the more they grilled

1121
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:26,190
him the more they delved into this issue

1122
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:28,620
of levitation than just the vanishing

1123
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:30,780
ship so somewhere I think there was a

1124
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,030
real true that was being hidden and the

1125
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:35,460
Navy got tipped off that Jessup may have

1126
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:37,950
been in on at least part of the story

1127
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:39,810
and they they wanted to know which parts

1128
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:41,730
I think Nick where do you come down on

1129
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:45,750
the story that Al Bielek tells about him

1130
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:48,180
and his brother al of course not the

1131
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:50,070
time traveling forward but his brother

1132
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,630
did I think what was his name

1133
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:53,670
camera on Duncan or Duncan camera on or

1134
00:44:00,020 --> 00:43:58,020
something story you know but it's kind

1135
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,030
of like which came first the movie which

1136
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:03,420
portrays that scene or the guy who

1137
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,630
claimed it happened to him I mean what

1138
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,880
we have to remember is if you go back

1139
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:11,520
and read every book every report every

1140
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:14,940
story pre al Bielek s-- they talk about

1141
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:17,610
the ship vanishing from view they even

1142
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:20,040
sort of been teleported allegedly from

1143
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:21,930
one place to another and then back again

1144
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,360
of the crew being injured some of them

1145
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:25,920
dying some of them just vanishing

1146
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:28,320
completely but there's actually no talk

1147
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:30,510
of the ship going forward to the future

1148
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:32,250
and then coming back again the only

1149
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:34,410
person to talk about this initially with

1150
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,040
Al Bielek

1151
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:37,440
after the movie which portrays a time

1152
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:40,920
travel angle came out so you know it's

1153
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:42,930
one of these situations where if you're

1154
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:44,580
going to make extraordinary claims like

1155
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:47,250
that then you've got to find some way to

1156
00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:50,040
back it up and we have to answer the

1157
00:44:56,090 --> 00:44:53,120
question of why is it that in terms of

1158
00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:56,100
the story of the time traveling GLE why

1159
00:45:02,990 --> 00:44:59,430
was it never told before al Bielek that

1160
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:03,000
to me is kind of fishy you know or every

1161
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,380
other theme is there except for the

1162
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:06,180
time-travel one no for some of our

1163
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:08,010
first-time listeners who may not be

1164
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:10,710
familiar with the complete philadelphia

1165
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:13,050
experiment story correct me if I'm wrong

1166
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:15,150
Nick but the Eldridge was supposedly

1167
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:18,450
teleported from I think Philadelphia

1168
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:21,660
Harbor or Harbor near Philadelphia to

1169
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:24,810
Norfolk or Virginia or some places yeah

1170
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,370
basically the store

1171
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,440
the unofficial story is that the Navy in

1172
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,660
the Second World War or all the entire

1173
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:32,640
military was looking at ways to defeat

1174
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:35,010
you know the Germans the Japanese the

1175
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:36,990
Italians did the Axis powers as they

1176
00:45:42,590 --> 00:45:40,050
became now known I'm a battle was on you

1177
00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:42,600
know to find the ultimate weapon and the

1178
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:44,070
story is that you know the same time

1179
00:45:47,330 --> 00:45:45,720
that people like Oppenheimer we're

1180
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:47,340
trying to develop the atomic bomb other

1181
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:49,890
agencies were looking to other areas one

1182
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:51,810
that supposedly the Navy was looking

1183
00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:54,900
into was to basically create like an

1184
00:46:01,360 --> 00:45:57,390
early stealth technology that would make

1185
00:46:03,350 --> 00:46:01,370
it ships invisible to radar and also

1186
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:03,360
magnetically invisible which would mean

1187
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:05,310
the the Germans have these sort of

1188
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:07,890
magnetic bombs which you know could it

1189
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:09,570
would have basically trap themselves to

1190
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:12,270
ships so the magnetic minds I should say

1191
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:15,150
so you know there are different ways of

1192
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:17,310
looking at different ways to cloak their

1193
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:21,110
ships from detection by the Nazis and

1194
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:23,190
supposedly that in one of these

1195
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,580
experiments using high-frequency

1196
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,200
technologies and all sorts of weird and

1197
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,480
wonderful things the the Eldridge was

1198
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:32,880
not deliberately because optical

1199
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:34,770
invisibility was supposedly my Roenick

1200
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:36,330
lead never part of the experiment it was

1201
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,370
and it was an unforeseen byproduct but

1202
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:40,560
supposedly the ship became asked

1203
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,660
optically invisible but people could

1204
00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:44,520
still see like the outline in the water

1205
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:45,590
you know where the water was displaced

1206
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,420
through the way to the ship so obviously

1207
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,060
still there but then it reportedly like

1208
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:53,760
really vanished and supposedly sort of

1209
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:56,880
flickered on and off over at Norfolk for

1210
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,540
a second or two and then reappeared back

1211
00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:02,640
in in the Philadelphia Naval Yard and

1212
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:05,070
know the reason why pretty much

1213
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:06,690
everybody's commented on it who claims

1214
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:08,220
to have being there or read about it so

1215
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:09,780
the reason why the whole thing was shut

1216
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:12,570
down and you know clamped down was not

1217
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,970
because you know the project went black

1218
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,160
so to speak and carried on but it was

1219
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,960
simply because everybody got cold feet

1220
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,220
and didn't really know what they were

1221
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:22,980
doing weren't sure what was you know

1222
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:25,740
doors they were opening etc and because

1223
00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:27,900
the atomic bomb became the weapon that

1224
00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:30,120
ended the war everything was brought to

1225
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:32,340
a halt until if you know back in the

1226
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:33,780
fifties or even the sixties when

1227
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:35,490
somebody said hey you know let's now go

1228
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:39,180
back and take another look so you know I

1229
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:40,200
think something

1230
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,540
and but the big problem of course is

1231
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,640
trying to understand it's like Roswell

1232
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:46,680
when there's no files available from the

1233
00:47:51,140 --> 00:47:48,570
time on the case it's try too difficult

1234
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:51,150
to understand where the truth ends and

1235
00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:53,070
the legends and the rooms and the hoaxes

1236
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,670
begin

1237
00:47:59,540 --> 00:47:56,160
but like Roswell I think something

1238
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,550
happened you also have the alleged

1239
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,160
involvement of Tesla technology all this

1240
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,740
was brought in much later so you think

1241
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:07,440
that there was something to the actual

1242
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:09,690
story in it but it may not you know the

1243
00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:12,119
details may not dovetail with the legend

1244
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,369
so to speak well yeah because you know

1245
00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:17,040
the problem is like again with Roswell

1246
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:19,320
pretty much everybody's dead searches

1247
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,150
for files have turned up nothing

1248
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:23,760
the government's again like Roswell does

1249
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,530
have an explanation they said it was all

1250
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:28,079
to do with like magnetic degauss in

1251
00:48:33,069 --> 00:48:30,089
experiments that could create like

1252
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:33,079
Corona discharges and that might have

1253
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,430
led to some of these stories and things

1254
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,960
like that so again the military doesn't

1255
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:39,480
deny something happened but the problem

1256
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:41,910
is you know how we take it to that next

1257
00:48:49,099 --> 00:48:45,240
step certainly a lot of the story can be

1258
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:49,109
traced back to a lending who wasn't

1259
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:51,390
credible you know he was he was shown to

1260
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:53,910
be a Fanta cyst and you know fraud

1261
00:49:00,319 --> 00:48:57,690
basically but in saying that when we say

1262
00:49:01,579 --> 00:49:00,329
the fantasy stand a fraud the more we

1263
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:01,589
look into it it seems to be the case

1264
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:04,050
that it's from his perspective but he

1265
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:06,210
may well have picked up strands of

1266
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:07,650
stories that he heard when he really was

1267
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:09,089
I mean he was in the Navy no doubt about

1268
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:11,369
that at the right time so it may well be

1269
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,050
the case as I believe that he picked up

1270
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:16,200
stories and strands of tales and then

1271
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,619
inserted himself into this story you

1272
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:22,319
know for his own self ego or whatever so

1273
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:24,890
so maybe we didn't have an invisibility

1274
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:28,020
problem during World War two maybe it

1275
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:31,890
was at the very basic sense and it's him

1276
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:35,220
to block radar stealth technically I

1277
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:37,020
mean that did not go wrong but he

1278
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:39,000
embellished well he might have

1279
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:40,890
embellished it oh it's possible that

1280
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:42,630
whatever technology was being used

1281
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:46,140
inadvertently did result in optical

1282
00:49:52,329 --> 00:49:50,400
invisibility nowadays our own scientists

1283
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:52,339
are experimenting with stuff like that

1284
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,060
being able

1285
00:49:59,720 --> 00:49:57,060
something yeah I mean there's you know

1286
00:50:02,120 --> 00:49:59,730
research from rudimentary levels where

1287
00:50:04,340 --> 00:50:02,130
you know paint aircraft were painted

1288
00:50:06,350 --> 00:50:04,350
sort of almost like mirrors you know so

1289
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:06,360
they would reflect the sky you know

1290
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:08,370
that's not even visibility but optical

1291
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:10,230
camouflage and things like that has been

1292
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,810
researched for years the British

1293
00:50:16,610 --> 00:50:14,460
military for example of being

1294
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:16,620
researching and this is sort of like

1295
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:19,770
really far-out stuff the idea that like

1296
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:20,730
you're saying that for example an

1297
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,340
aircraft flies over to the ocean and

1298
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:26,220
it's blue skies above that the actual

1299
00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:28,170
coating of the aircraft will change blue

1300
00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:30,870
and if the sky turns gray the color will

1301
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,390
turn gray like a chameleon it's kind of

1302
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:36,000
automatic camouflage or some mechanism

1303
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:38,700
that is activated manually

1304
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:40,590
oh it's becoming cloudy let's push

1305
00:50:45,590 --> 00:50:43,470
switch number three yeah literally you

1306
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:45,600
know it alters the shade of the coating

1307
00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:48,030
they're researching that no that's not

1308
00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:51,390
invisibility but it does demonstrate you

1309
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:53,190
know some of the weird areas of things

1310
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:55,410
have been addressed now what everybody

1311
00:50:59,330 --> 00:50:56,610
who's sort of looked into the

1312
00:51:00,920 --> 00:50:59,340
Philadelphia Experiment agrees on those

1313
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:00,930
that accepts you know that something

1314
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:03,630
strange happened is that you know all

1315
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:04,890
people said well why don't why are we

1316
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:06,810
using this technology today and the

1317
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:09,870
reason being a lot of people assume that

1318
00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:12,330
the project was to try and make the ship

1319
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:13,860
invisible and it worked and they hid the

1320
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,570
evidence but if you meet all the books

1321
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:17,640
as I said optically visibility wasn't

1322
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:19,770
the goal and I'll tell you what our goal

1323
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,010
is to listen to our benefactors for a

1324
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:25,200
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Redfern with Jean and Chris and the para

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cast and we've gotten to explore that

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ancient tale from the 1940s of the

1395
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:24,360
Philadelphia Experiment about possible

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00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:27,540
efforts to learn to hide under the radar

1397
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:29,370
as it were and what might have gone

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00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:32,130
wrong now you were talking about the

1399
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:34,410
books showing some kind of central

1400
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:36,540
possibility here that needs to be

1401
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:39,060
explored an underlying truth yeah I

1402
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:40,650
think you know there's a lot of

1403
00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:41,970
misconceptions made about the

1404
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:43,380
Philadelphia Experiment that the

1405
00:54:48,820 --> 00:54:45,510
government was actively and aggressively

1406
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:48,830
pursuing literal optical invisibility

1407
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:51,300
none of the books contrary to all those

1408
00:54:56,090 --> 00:54:53,460
people think say that they say that was

1409
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,100
an invert and byproducts a mistake of

1410
00:55:00,620 --> 00:54:59,040
trying to develop magnetic and radar

1411
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:00,630
invisibility and that the technology

1412
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:03,930
that was utilized had a reaction that

1413
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:06,750
nobody anticipated and from there the

1414
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:08,730
theory is that even afterwards they

1415
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:11,430
weren't really sure how or why and under

1416
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:13,650
what circumstances optical invisibility

1417
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:17,970
had been obtained or achieved and so it

1418
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:19,800
was all closed down and so after the war

1419
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:22,380
was over and then sort of reignited to

1420
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,660
look into it all again which would make

1421
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:26,400
sense you know this wasn't sort of

1422
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:27,780
pieced I with a bunch of guys sitting

1423
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,550
around saying oh you know why are we

1424
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:30,900
gonna spend the next couple hundred

1425
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,610
thousand dollars on this was sort of

1426
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:35,280
fighting for survival during war and if

1427
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:36,990
one weapon didn't work you know they

1428
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:38,310
funneled everything into another that's

1429
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:40,380
why the atomic bomb program worked

1430
00:55:44,810 --> 00:55:42,870
because it was so aggressively pursued

1431
00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:44,820
you know with countless man-hours and

1432
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:47,460
personnel just pushing for this that

1433
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:49,650
might explain why to a degree within

1434
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:51,450
governments who vanished into obscurity

1435
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:53,610
because in the time frame you know what

1436
00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:55,590
people are trying to stay alive never

1437
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,630
mind you know just make a ship invisible

1438
00:56:01,880 --> 00:55:59,640
but how do we know any of that is true

1439
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:01,890
and not just a bunch of science fiction

1440
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:04,650
stories push together well that's the

1441
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:06,570
answer we don't but what I do think is

1442
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:10,110
interesting is that you know Carlos lnd

1443
00:56:13,070 --> 00:56:11,250
wrote all this stuff about the

1444
00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:13,080
Philadelphia Experiment in Morris

1445
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:15,600
Jessup's book and instead of just

1446
00:56:20,090 --> 00:56:17,190
tossing the book in the garbage or

1447
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:20,100
whatever the Navy flew Jessup into

1448
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:22,410
grilling for two days and then printed

1449
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:24,390
off 25 copies of his book with all this

1450
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:26,610
stuff annotated by lndian there about

1451
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:28,530
the Philadelphia Experiment I mean this

1452
00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:31,890
was sort of pre modern-day photocopying

1453
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:33,990
machines you know copying a full-length

1454
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:36,030
book then it was like a really laborious

1455
00:56:40,340 --> 00:56:38,220
task you know the technology was even

1456
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,350
different and you got to run off 25 of

1457
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:42,240
them and they chose a company in Dallas

1458
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:44,070
who then had to pack them all up and

1459
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,740
ship them out to DC you know we're

1460
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:48,720
talking about costs that probably ran

1461
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:51,150
into you know I mean we're talking 60

1462
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,310
years ago almost but you know I mean we

1463
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:54,720
substantial amount of money to fly

1464
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:55,980
Jessup back and forth

1465
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,530
put him up in a hotel feed him hire the

1466
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:01,200
barrel company to print 25 books you

1467
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:02,730
know all the pay for the technology that

1468
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,910
involves so in other words I don't see

1469
00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:08,040
the Navy doing all that if there was

1470
00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:09,870
nothing to the basics of the story

1471
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:11,670
that's the thing it bothers me that

1472
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:14,250
annotated edition if it wasn't for that

1473
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:16,110
I dismissed the whole thing now I

1474
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:18,420
understand that when Charles Berlitz

1475
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:20,130
wrote his book about the Philadelphia

1476
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:21,660
Experiment it was a sequel to the one

1477
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:23,850
about them we need a triangle he had

1478
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:26,670
never seen the annotated version I gave

1479
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:30,150
it to him I gave him my copy and he

1480
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:33,210
actually used me as kind of a sounding

1481
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:35,010
board for a lot of things in that book

1482
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:38,280
little debacle record I don't know that

1483
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:40,950
but I mean I've never seen a copy of the

1484
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:43,710
original annotated one I mean you can

1485
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:45,570
actually find the annotated version

1486
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:48,030
online but it's basically like an HTML

1487
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:50,610
version you know and with the colors

1488
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:52,410
added in the different colors to

1489
00:57:58,100 --> 00:57:54,930
demonstrate the the annotations but I've

1490
00:57:59,840 --> 00:57:58,110
never seen you know the original the

1491
00:58:02,570 --> 00:57:59,850
copies of the original if you like well

1492
00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:02,580
I believe grey Parker published them at

1493
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:04,470
one time one of the many things he

1494
00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:06,090
brought out but looking at the end of a

1495
00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:10,260
fire this is something that the

1496
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:11,790
erection of this experiment and

1497
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,860
everything the Pentagon knows that now

1498
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:16,020
is that part of the premise they know

1499
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:18,210
what really happened then or they care

1500
00:58:22,220 --> 00:58:19,980
about what really happened then well

1501
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:22,230
yeah I mean I think somebody in

1502
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:25,020
government knows what happened in

1503
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:28,140
Philadelphia 1943 weather or you know to

1504
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:29,640
what extent it's still being researched

1505
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:32,970
you know versus if they even understood

1506
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:34,950
what happened you know I think sometimes

1507
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:37,410
we give government's too much credit

1508
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:39,120
that if they're doing something it's

1509
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:40,500
because they've got all the answers

1510
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:42,810
you know you imagine you undertake an

1511
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,000
experiment 60 years ago and it goes

1512
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:47,430
totally wrong and you don't know why and

1513
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:49,710
it was shut down and then 30 years later

1514
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,960
you know some Colonel in the Pentagon

1515
00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:53,760
who's ordered to reopen the files and

1516
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:56,070
look at it again you know it may not be

1517
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:57,930
the easiest thing to do it's one of

1518
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:59,250
these issues where maybe they're still

1519
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:00,660
scratching their heads you know maybe

1520
00:59:03,620 --> 00:59:01,770
there are people in government who are

1521
00:59:06,350 --> 00:59:03,630
saying I wonder if the Philadelphia

1522
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:06,360
Experiment really happened you know or

1523
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:08,130
they think are a bunch of crazies like

1524
00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:12,150
us who exploring it it could be a bit

1525
00:59:16,820 --> 00:59:12,630
about

1526
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:16,830
okay any other episodes of that nature

1527
00:59:21,110 --> 00:59:19,500
strange scientific developments that you

1528
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:21,120
may have heard about that the Pentagon

1529
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:23,910
may know about well you know I mean I

1530
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:27,720
think the other one really sorts of

1531
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:29,970
springs to mind in terms of you know

1532
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:31,530
trying to weaponize things at least

1533
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:34,020
which as I said is one of the essential

1534
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:37,710
themes is the story of Noah's Ark you

1535
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:40,530
know the the fact is today that the

1536
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:42,630
Ararat anomaly is it's known within the

1537
00:59:47,060 --> 00:59:45,480
Pentagon has attracted deep interest on

1538
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:47,070
the part of the CIA the Defense

1539
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:50,010
Intelligence Agency the US Air Force and

1540
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,940
also a US Air Force slash intelligence

1541
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:55,680
operation known as Project moon dust

1542
01:00:00,350 --> 00:59:58,200
Project moon dust was a basically an

1543
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:00,360
official body whose job it was to sort

1544
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:03,240
of acquire captured or also capture

1545
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:04,980
should say thorine advanced technology

1546
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,310
you know say for part of the Russian spy

1547
01:00:12,290 --> 01:00:10,740
satellite crashed in the Indian Ocean or

1548
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:12,300
something you know the moon disguise

1549
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:14,730
might go out there retrieve it if they

1550
01:00:17,810 --> 01:00:16,140
could take you back to the foreign

1551
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:17,820
technology division of the Air Force and

1552
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:20,010
analyze it to see if it could be used to

1553
01:00:24,049 --> 01:00:23,370
further US military technologies weapon

1554
01:00:26,929 --> 01:00:24,059
systems that's

1555
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,939
Etra and the very fact that this

1556
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,880
particular unit was copied on

1557
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:30,900
documentation on the Ararat anomaly

1558
01:00:35,959 --> 01:00:33,089
suggests to me that there was something

1559
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:35,969
about Noah's Ark or the errant anomaly

1560
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:38,339
whatever it is that goes far beyond you

1561
01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:40,170
know this more simplistic story of just

1562
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:42,630
like a huge wooden old rotted bolt on

1563
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:45,059
top of a mountain so you know I think we

1564
01:00:49,249 --> 01:00:47,160
can apply it in that case as well but

1565
01:00:51,499 --> 01:00:49,259
the big question is what does that mean

1566
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,509
and knows how it really was or was it

1567
01:00:54,529 --> 01:00:52,799
you know it sort of opens up another

1568
01:00:56,299 --> 01:00:54,539
kind of wounds well if we're going to

1569
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:56,309
explore the Philadelphia Experiment can

1570
01:01:02,329 --> 01:00:56,819
of worms

1571
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:02,339
might it have been if not just a ship

1572
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:04,619
well yeah that's right I mean this is

1573
01:01:07,939 --> 01:01:06,329
the story at least it's ran to that

1574
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:07,949
question you know we'd go back to the

1575
01:01:13,189 --> 01:01:09,420
beginning of the story what happened was

1576
01:01:16,699 --> 01:01:13,199
in 1949 in one particular day a US Air

1577
01:01:18,499 --> 01:01:16,709
Force spy plane was headed over Turkey

1578
01:01:22,479 --> 01:01:18,509
which bordered his borders on the former

1579
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:22,489
Soviet Union because the basically spot

1580
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:24,930
CIA personnel had heard that the

1581
01:01:30,439 --> 01:01:27,089
Russians were China or was starting to

1582
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:30,449
build a new military base close to

1583
01:01:34,189 --> 01:01:31,529
Turkey that would be sort of

1584
01:01:36,049 --> 01:01:34,199
strategically you know the disadvantage

1585
01:01:37,669 --> 01:01:36,059
of the Western world if you like you

1586
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:37,679
know it would be something they didn't

1587
01:01:42,439 --> 01:01:40,049
want to see built so the plan was to

1588
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,449
have this spy plane fly over Turkey very

1589
01:01:46,969 --> 01:01:45,359
high and take photographs of whatever

1590
01:01:49,699 --> 01:01:46,979
was going on in this one particular area

1591
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:49,709
and the guys on the plane because this

1592
01:01:54,949 --> 01:01:52,140
is coincident but they had to fly by

1593
01:01:57,559 --> 01:01:54,959
Mount Ararat to get to this particular

1594
01:01:59,269 --> 01:01:57,569
site as they closed in on the mountain

1595
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:59,279
which they were using as kind of like a

1596
01:02:03,529 --> 01:02:01,799
signpost one of the guys said that he

1597
01:02:05,209 --> 01:02:03,539
could see what looked like a - literally

1598
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:05,219
like a two to three hundred foot long

1599
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,410
aircraft wings sticking out of the ice

1600
01:02:11,809 --> 01:02:10,140
now parts of mount era that they you

1601
01:02:13,459 --> 01:02:11,819
know the top parts of pretty much snow

1602
01:02:15,049 --> 01:02:13,469
and ice caps all year round and the

1603
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:15,059
Turkish government doesn't like a lot of

1604
01:02:18,949 --> 01:02:17,369
people sort of meddling on the mountain

1605
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:18,959
and it's pretty much closed off to a lot

1606
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,089
of people a lot of year of the year

1607
01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:23,160
round but they reported seeing this vast

1608
01:02:27,979 --> 01:02:25,619
wing like structure on one part of the

1609
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:27,989
mountain and then also a similar one and

1610
01:02:32,569 --> 01:02:29,819
another part of the mountain so the

1611
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:32,579
captain swung the plane around so the

1612
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:34,170
chief photographer could actually get

1613
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,689
pictures of whatever this thing was and

1614
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:38,400
when the other

1615
01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:40,200
mission was over they returned to base

1616
01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:42,270
the pictures are all developed and

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01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:44,190
vanished into the part of the Pentagon

1618
01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:46,190
some of them a few of them have actually

1619
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:48,630
resurfaced and you can find them on the

1620
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:50,339
Internet the Defense Intelligence Agency

1621
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:52,980
has got them on their website now and if

1622
01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:55,529
you google Ararat anomaly and go to the

1623
01:02:59,180 --> 01:02:57,089
wikipedia page you'll see one of the

1624
01:03:01,490 --> 01:02:59,190
pictures reproduced there as well

1625
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:01,500
so they're in the public domain now but

1626
01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:03,720
for years you know nobody knew about

1627
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:05,579
them and what's interesting is that the

1628
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:09,270
CIA got involved in the whole thing in

1629
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,809
the early 50s today they say well you

1630
01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:15,359
know we we kind of we sort of looked at

1631
01:03:20,019 --> 01:03:17,819
it but only from the perspective of the

1632
01:03:22,490 --> 01:03:20,029
fact that sometimes you know our

1633
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:22,500
aircraft would fly over the area and

1634
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:24,180
they take pictures because they heard

1635
01:03:28,460 --> 01:03:26,520
these stories it sort of you know in the

1636
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,470
Pentagon at work or whatever and it was

1637
01:03:31,819 --> 01:03:30,000
just you know something in their spare

1638
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:31,829
time just a little anecdote to say

1639
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:32,910
they've got a picture of the Ararat

1640
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:35,490
anomaly again a picture of the Ararat

1641
01:03:39,529 --> 01:03:37,710
anomaly after we get this sort of

1642
01:03:50,029 --> 01:03:39,539
picture we have Nick Redfern with gene

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and Chris you're in the para cast ray

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Perkins a reclusive veteran burned out

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from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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across centuries to him then a

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coincidence leads him to his destiny his

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[Music]

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01:08:04,029 --> 01:07:58,700
the author you up on the street England

1750
01:08:07,059 --> 01:08:04,039
is new to the paradise there was a

1751
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:07,069
laughter that we used to hear in the

1752
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:09,470
days of the shadow you know who knows

1753
01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:11,210
what evil lurks in the hearts of men the

1754
01:08:15,279 --> 01:08:13,430
shadow knows and the laughter that was

1755
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:15,289
allegedly done by Orson Welles when he

1756
01:08:18,519 --> 01:08:17,150
played the shadow but actually he

1757
01:08:20,140 --> 01:08:18,529
couldn't do what they had another actor

1758
01:08:21,820 --> 01:08:20,150
doing now you know the story that you

1759
01:08:23,379 --> 01:08:21,830
don't care about we do care about Nick

1760
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:23,389
Redfern in the book is the pyramids in

1761
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:25,730
the Pentagon the government's top secret

1762
01:08:30,729 --> 01:08:28,730
pursuit of mystical relics ancient

1763
01:08:34,090 --> 01:08:30,739
astronauts and lost civilizations and

1764
01:08:37,629 --> 01:08:34,100
we're looking now at shall we say more

1765
01:08:39,729 --> 01:08:37,639
legends and stories proceed Nick well

1766
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:39,739
yeah I mean sort of this power at

1767
01:08:44,109 --> 01:08:41,089
anomaly that we're talking about this

1768
01:08:46,749 --> 01:08:44,119
perceived arc on Mount Ararat that might

1769
01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:46,759
not actually be an arc after all the CIA

1770
01:08:50,979 --> 01:08:48,980
doesn't dispute you know that it's sort

1771
01:08:53,169 --> 01:08:50,989
of taken a tangential or very

1772
01:08:55,419 --> 01:08:53,179
off-the-record interest in the arc for

1773
01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:55,429
years but they've always maintained you

1774
01:08:58,809 --> 01:08:56,750
know we've never gone out there we've

1775
01:09:01,689 --> 01:08:58,819
never sort of sent personnel to try and

1776
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:01,699
check it out we've never made an really

1777
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,670
active deep definitive search for it but

1778
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:06,560
that actually is not the case I mean we

1779
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:08,449
can demonstrate that from the files that

1780
01:09:11,229 --> 01:09:09,710
have served these through the Freedom of

1781
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:11,239
Information Act and I'll give you a

1782
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:14,900
classic example back in 1975 a new book

1783
01:09:19,059 --> 01:09:17,150
had just been published on the air

1784
01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:19,069
retinal or on Noah's Ark I should say

1785
01:09:23,499 --> 01:09:21,020
and the authoring question was actually

1786
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:23,509
advertising it and promoting it at a

1787
01:09:27,879 --> 01:09:26,150
shopping mall in Washington DC what was

1788
01:09:29,620 --> 01:09:27,889
interesting is that the you know you

1789
01:09:30,939 --> 01:09:29,630
expect people are going to come along to

1790
01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:30,949
the bookstore and buy copies of your

1791
01:09:34,749 --> 01:09:32,600
book well thanks for the Freedom of

1792
01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:34,759
Information Act what we know today is

1793
01:09:40,899 --> 01:09:38,150
that there was a high-level order sent

1794
01:09:43,599 --> 01:09:40,909
out from within the office of scientific

1795
01:09:45,550 --> 01:09:43,609
intelligence at the CIA ordering three

1796
01:09:47,169 --> 01:09:45,560
of their personnel to go out to this

1797
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,179
particular shopping mall you know in

1798
01:09:50,559 --> 01:09:49,279
sort of just shirt sleeves and jeans or

1799
01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:50,569
whatever you know don't go dress like

1800
01:09:55,090 --> 01:09:52,460
mething black or whatever and check out

1801
01:09:57,850 --> 01:09:55,100
that this display the official documents

1802
01:10:00,939 --> 01:09:57,860
actually say that in doing so might help

1803
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:00,949
us on the matter of the ark problem now

1804
01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:02,810
one of the things I point out in the

1805
01:10:07,150 --> 01:10:06,020
book number one this issue of orders

1806
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,160
official orders been

1807
01:10:11,950 --> 01:10:09,920
to scientific personnel in the CIA to

1808
01:10:14,140 --> 01:10:11,960
check out this basically like a display

1809
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:14,150
in a book signing all that Noah's Ark

1810
01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:16,370
that number one makes a mockery of the

1811
01:10:20,290 --> 01:10:19,190
idea that the CIA wasn't interested you

1812
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:20,300
know if you're even sending people out

1813
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:23,510
to bookstores to track down every lead

1814
01:10:27,220 --> 01:10:25,340
then you sure as hell are doing

1815
01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:27,230
something on the other hand and the

1816
01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:29,480
second thing is this reference this

1817
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:31,880
curious reference to the ark problem you

1818
01:10:36,220 --> 01:10:33,710
know if there was nothing weird on Mount

1819
01:10:38,740 --> 01:10:36,230
Ararat if the CIA wasn't interested in

1820
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:38,750
it why would I even refer to it in

1821
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:40,790
secret official documents as the Ark

1822
01:10:44,410 --> 01:10:43,010
problem you know so that even though we

1823
01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:44,420
don't have all the answers we don't have

1824
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,220
smoking-gun documents we have things

1825
01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:48,800
like this that clearly show something

1826
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:50,870
was going on and there was a deep reason

1827
01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:52,610
for official interest in whatever this

1828
01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:55,220
weird thing on Mount Ararat was and

1829
01:11:00,880 --> 01:10:57,590
still is well one thing that's always

1830
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:00,890
intrigued me is the interest by NASA I

1831
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:03,050
think Apollo astronaut Jim Irwin who I

1832
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:05,000
think in the early eighties mounted an

1833
01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:07,190
expedition to try to find those art so

1834
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:09,680
that that fact alone is very intriguing

1835
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:12,110
it's the kind of reminiscent of Neil

1836
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,970
Armstrong searching for underground

1837
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:16,400
cities and lost treasure in I think

1838
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:18,230
underground grottoes in Bolivia or

1839
01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:20,570
someplace in the early 70s how about her

1840
01:11:25,450 --> 01:11:22,940
wounds expedition where did he get his

1841
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:25,460
you know motivation to to mount that

1842
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,530
well you know I mean Owen was

1843
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:29,120
interesting because like a lot of the

1844
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:30,650
astronauts you know came back from the

1845
01:11:34,780 --> 01:11:32,030
moon they came back sorta like

1846
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:34,790
profoundly changed some of them in like

1847
01:11:39,370 --> 01:11:37,310
a spiritual although others in almost

1848
01:11:41,650 --> 01:11:39,380
like a mystical way you know a lot of

1849
01:11:43,210 --> 01:11:41,660
that happens a lot of the astronauts and

1850
01:11:45,190 --> 01:11:43,220
I mean you know we don't necessarily

1851
01:11:46,570 --> 01:11:45,200
always have to sort of ascribe that to

1852
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:46,580
them you know some sort of weird

1853
01:11:49,540 --> 01:11:48,170
paranormal event that happened to earth

1854
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:49,550
and all that that could have been the

1855
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:51,770
plot be the case you know it could well

1856
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:54,050
also have been the very fact that you're

1857
01:11:58,690 --> 01:11:55,850
on a different world and you you know

1858
01:12:00,460 --> 01:11:58,700
your worldview is so strangely change

1859
01:12:02,650 --> 01:12:00,470
you know you imagine what it must feel

1860
01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:02,660
like to stand on another world and look

1861
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:04,790
out and see your own little planet and

1862
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:07,310
you're no longer there you know the

1863
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:08,690
number of people have done that is so

1864
01:12:14,290 --> 01:12:11,480
small it must be you know mind-blowing

1865
01:12:16,210 --> 01:12:14,300
but equally you know people as you said

1866
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:16,220
some of the astronauts have been changed

1867
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:18,200
in in other ways you know sort of they

1868
01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:19,670
began looking into the mysteries of the

1869
01:12:22,930 --> 01:12:20,660
past and

1870
01:12:25,870 --> 01:12:22,940
jimmy'll wind develops a deep interest

1871
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:25,880
not just in Noah's Ark but actually

1872
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:28,130
proactively going out and trying to find

1873
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:29,540
it and he went on a number of

1874
01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:32,120
expeditions to Mount Ararat in Turkey to

1875
01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:33,590
try and find it this was actually sort

1876
01:12:37,450 --> 01:12:35,150
of only curtailed when he had a bad fall

1877
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:37,460
and and then basically had to stop as he

1878
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:39,710
was getting older but what's interesting

1879
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:42,230
is that when him self actually heard

1880
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:44,210
rumors and stories about the Ararat

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anomaly and what happened was that he

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basically just took it upon himself to

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phone a senior operative in the CIA we

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get heard also had some knowledge of the

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Ararat anomaly and basically put him on

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the spot and said hey you know I'd like

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to know what son knows what's on Mount

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Ararat and what the CIA has learned

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about it and the guy basically blew him

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off and said you know we've never found

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Noah's Ark on on Mount Ararat at all so

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you know that the backstory there to

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still be discovered you know what it was

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that prompted Jim Irwin to realize and

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follow up on the fact that hey the

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Pentagon's seem to know something about

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Noah's Ark and this is way back in the

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early 80s when we were sort of pursuing

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the government angle well what kind of

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technology could you know the Pentagon

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the CIA or whomever be interested in

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that might be found in an ancient

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shipwreck site like that on top of a

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mountain yeah that's the big question I

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mean if we sort of take the literal

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story of the Bible you know Noah's Ark

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was just a huge boat built big enough to

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hold a whole bunch of animals inside it

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and that was it but it was still you

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know made of wood and it was about so

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that would be something of interest to

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historians archaeologists theologians

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etc that there should be any reason why

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a big old boat and nothing else should

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be of any interest at all to the

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Pentagon now one of the things I talk

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about in the book is the fact that

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project moon dust this official project

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of the US government was basically

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military was basically involved in

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obtaining and exploiting for US military

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purposes advanced overseas or foreign

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technology and of course if they're

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going to take an interest in the Ararat

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anomaly which they certainly did then

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there's got to be more to it than just a

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huge boat if we look at a lot of the

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stories all around the world different

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cultures and civilizations they all had

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legends of worldwide floods you know

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they

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talk about the gods preparing them and

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telling them you know to go into the

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mountains or build huge ships a lot of

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01:14:44,170 --> 01:14:42,200
people don't realize that you know

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numerous cultures have stories very very

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01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:46,400
similar to the one of Noah's Ark you

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01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:48,340
know they're these sort of ethereal

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01:14:53,290 --> 01:14:51,590
deities and gods warning people you know

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01:14:55,420 --> 01:14:53,300
you need to build this huge ship by a

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particular day because all hell's going

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01:14:59,860 --> 01:14:57,800
to break loose but what's intriguing is

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that whereas the Bible talks about you

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know Noah loading animals on the ark two

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by two others talk about the Ark's

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containing the essence of the animals or

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the seed of the animals which sounds

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almost as I point out in the book and as

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some researchers have speculated like a

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massive Preserve collection of DNA of

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01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:19,400
life on Earth which would make more

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01:15:24,010 --> 01:15:21,350
sense than the sort of fairly ridiculous

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01:15:26,350 --> 01:15:24,020
image of trying to see Noah round up you

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:26,360
know to fully ground Tigers and pushing

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01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:28,010
them on the ark you know would you like

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all to get his head be enough to you

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01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:31,310
know in the him all that sort of stuff

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to me interpreting it literally is

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01:15:37,210 --> 01:15:35,510
ridiculous because because it is

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ridiculous you know it's and it's not

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01:15:41,140 --> 01:15:39,470
enough to say oh he was able to get two

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elephants on the ark because of God's

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magic you know well you know the other

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question would be Vinick if interpreting

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it literally is ridiculous

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what is the Pentagon doing well the

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Pentagon obviously we're looking at this

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I think another angle now of course if

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you've got project moondust involved if

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you've got the CIA sand in u-2 spy

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01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:02,480
planes over you've got analysts looking

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01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:05,000
at photographs you've got CIA personnel

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01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:07,340
going out to bookstores and checking out

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the latest books on the subject then

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clearly they had uncovered something of

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significance but the problem is like a

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lot of these stories which is

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frustrating for all of us in these

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fields is that we can go so far with

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them and then we sort of hit the

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proverbial brick wall before we got

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another proverbial brick wall we have

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Nick Redfern with gene and Chris you're

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in the para cast who knows what evil

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unless we talk about shadowy things here

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the pyramids in the Pentagon is the book

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with gene and Chris on the para cast

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we're exploring all sorts of mysteries

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ancient mysteries Noah's Ark what does

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the government know why would they care

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about somebody ship that was built

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thousands of years ago or was it a

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spaceship maybe well that's one of the

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theories you know a number of ancient

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astronaut theorists have put together

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you know the idea the very fact that's

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01:21:45,580 --> 01:21:42,950
all around the world these legends have

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existed massive arcs built to preserve

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life and that they were connected with

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messages that came down from the gods

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telling people to build them you know

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and a lot of these stories as I said

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don't talk about animals being loaded on

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01:21:59,650 --> 01:21:57,560
board the ships despite what people

2113
01:22:01,390 --> 01:21:59,660
think that's the interpretation they

2114
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talk about the essence or the seeds of

2115
01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:03,920
the animal being taken on board that has

2116
01:22:07,780 --> 01:22:05,960
given rise to the idea you know in the

2117
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:07,790
same way that on earth today there are

2118
01:22:12,490 --> 01:22:10,460
volunteer owned there's a famous one on

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01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:12,500
the island of Spitsbergen just up the

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01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:14,450
coast of Norway which is like a huge

2121
01:22:19,060 --> 01:22:16,610
massive seed repository in the event of

2122
01:22:20,980 --> 01:22:19,070
a national you know worldwide disaster

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01:22:22,630 --> 01:22:20,990
there are literally millions of seeds

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01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,640
stored on Spitsbergen in this

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01:22:27,730 --> 01:22:25,760
underground facility in the event you

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know that life needs to start over again

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01:22:32,170 --> 01:22:30,170
so to speak so you know the idea that

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somebody else may have come here may

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have realized that the earth is in

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trouble

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and was prepared for a massive disaster

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and took some steps to try and preserve

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life at a localized level by you know

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01:22:47,230 --> 01:22:45,080
just hauling off examples of the the

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life that existed and then that created

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01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:48,400
legends of

2137
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:51,070
and gods etc you know that that's quite

2138
01:22:54,540 --> 01:22:52,810
a popular theory within ancient

2139
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:54,550
astronaut research Chris we had

2140
01:22:58,620 --> 01:22:57,130
questions from the audience any of those

2141
01:23:01,800 --> 01:22:58,630
relevant to what we're talking about

2142
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:01,810
here yeah a bunch but I before we get to

2143
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our listener questions from forum dr.

2144
01:23:08,820 --> 01:23:07,210
Peric ascom I'm gonna just mention the

2145
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:08,830
NIC a little kind of an interesting

2146
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:11,890
sidenote involving what appeared to be

2147
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:14,800
helicopter flights and and construction

2148
01:23:20,010 --> 01:23:17,410
loads slung underneath that I was able

2149
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:20,020
to videotape about a month ago

2150
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:22,930
right near the location of a fabled

2151
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:25,840
underground city that's located at the

2152
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:27,850
confluence of Grand Canyon and the

2153
01:23:32,430 --> 01:23:30,310
Little Colorado River Gorge this is you

2154
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:32,440
know the famous 1909 Phoenix is that

2155
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:35,110
story of two guys affiliated with the

2156
01:23:40,290 --> 01:23:37,810
Smithsonian stumbling on this entrance

2157
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:40,300
to to the underground city now I find a

2158
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:41,620
very interesting that I should go out

2159
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:44,110
there with a David Hatcher Childress Ron

2160
01:23:49,290 --> 01:23:46,690
Regehr Gary David some some pretty uh

2161
01:23:51,390 --> 01:23:49,300
credentialed and and up-to-speed

2162
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:51,400
researchers and investigators and and to

2163
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:53,170
stumble on what appears to be illegal

2164
01:23:58,290 --> 01:23:56,650
flights flying equipment down to a site

2165
01:24:00,270 --> 01:23:58,300
that may be the ancient place of

2166
01:24:02,250 --> 01:24:00,280
emergence for the Hopi and Zuni uh are

2167
01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:02,260
you aware of any sort of government

2168
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:04,660
interest in that particular alleged

2169
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:05,770
underground city

2170
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:08,800
I'm not unfortunately but I mean I mean

2171
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:10,510
I would the only thing I can sort of

2172
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:12,190
comment on is that it's sort of

2173
01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:15,310
parallels interesting in other areas you

2174
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:16,900
know predominantly in the Middle East

2175
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,330
and South America where government

2176
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:21,760
agents and personnel have taken an

2177
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:23,890
interest you know to the extent of you

2178
01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:25,810
know spy missions to take photographs

2179
01:24:30,570 --> 01:24:27,910
will get film footage satellite court

2180
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:30,580
that sort of thing so you know it's

2181
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:32,530
nothing out of the ordinary you know

2182
01:24:36,630 --> 01:24:34,510
it's another example I think and you

2183
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:36,640
know which is important that dovetails

2184
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:39,160
nicely to a question from Conrad Hartman

2185
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,010
one of our posters here at the question

2186
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:44,560
Bank and he asked to what extent if any

2187
01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:46,660
have efforts been made to provide

2188
01:24:51,780 --> 01:24:48,760
archaeological evidence for political

2189
01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:51,790
agendas in Nazi Germany part of the an

2190
01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:53,800
enormous purpose was to provide evidence

2191
01:24:58,650 --> 01:24:55,630
for the government's racial theories in

2192
01:25:00,630 --> 01:24:58,660
the US was there ever a religion driven

2193
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:00,640
organization either funded by or

2194
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:02,090
containing elements of the gun

2195
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,490
whose objective was to obtain evidence

2196
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:06,560
to support religious and political goals

2197
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:09,110
yeah once you address our and then he

2198
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:12,170
has a follow-up well not so much in this

2199
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:14,210
issue I mean I think you had them on

2200
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:16,130
your show a couple years ago when I had

2201
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:18,290
that book as final events about a group

2202
01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:19,730
in the government that was sort of

2203
01:25:24,490 --> 01:25:21,710
looking at the idea that you know the

2204
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:24,500
whole UFO phenomenon was demonic that's

2205
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:26,650
probably the closest in terms of China

2206
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:29,360
vindicate you know sort of a particular

2207
01:25:34,660 --> 01:25:31,730
theory that links him sort of with

2208
01:25:37,180 --> 01:25:34,670
religion etc but now every case that I

2209
01:25:39,670 --> 01:25:37,190
talk about in this book pretty much you

2210
01:25:41,980 --> 01:25:39,680
know the fact that it was related to

2211
01:25:45,730 --> 01:25:41,990
religion or ancient archaeology was a

2212
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:45,740
side bar if you like and and the entire

2213
01:25:51,190 --> 01:25:48,710
thrust was just to try and uncover new

2214
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:51,200
technologies he was nothing about you

2215
01:25:55,870 --> 01:25:53,810
know the questioner is actually a

2216
01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:55,880
hundred percent correct you know with

2217
01:26:00,730 --> 01:25:57,800
the Nazis in the Second World War you

2218
01:26:02,260 --> 01:26:00,740
know look one of the sort of beliefs of

2219
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,270
the Nazis would this was at the

2220
01:26:06,610 --> 01:26:03,920
so-called Aryan race you know their

2221
01:26:08,230 --> 01:26:06,620
roots could go back to Atlantis and even

2222
01:26:11,170 --> 01:26:08,240
further and they were perceived as being

2223
01:26:13,330 --> 01:26:11,180
you know the master race and part of the

2224
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:13,340
reason for the Nazis look at all these

2225
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,010
artifacts was correctly as the

2226
01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:19,040
questioner said to to try and vindicate

2227
01:26:23,890 --> 01:26:21,590
those theories but no in America it was

2228
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:23,900
all about you know just going for the

2229
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:26,330
technology that leads to another

2230
01:26:34,090 --> 01:26:29,810
question from posters social worker chef

2231
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:34,100
an interesting tag I guess to dinner

2232
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:38,960
what's going on well I'm not sure about

2233
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:41,090
that we'll have to ask him next time he

2234
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:43,730
posed but he asked if the US government

2235
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:45,770
is so interested in finding these

2236
01:26:49,780 --> 01:26:47,810
objects what would they do with them

2237
01:26:51,670 --> 01:26:49,790
once obtained would it be a scenario

2238
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:51,680
like Hitler attempting to find the spear

2239
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:53,030
of destiny because he thought it would

2240
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:55,070
make him invincible and that brings up a

2241
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,650
whole nother subject that you address in

2242
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:00,080
your book and that is the Himmler and

2243
01:27:04,930 --> 01:27:02,290
the SS is attempt to go around the world

2244
01:27:07,540 --> 01:27:04,940
which of course is one of the themes and

2245
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:07,550
the Indiana Jones movies of the Nazis

2246
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,730
looking for these occult and you know

2247
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,800
potentially high technological events

2248
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:14,880
from ancient times

2249
01:27:19,580 --> 01:27:17,580
what about that do you think that the

2250
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:19,590
the government is interested in finding

2251
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:22,850
them for some sort of occult purposes

2252
01:27:27,650 --> 01:27:25,920
well you know I mean there's no doubt

2253
01:27:30,410 --> 01:27:27,660
that you know government agency double

2254
01:27:32,420 --> 01:27:30,420
d's have delved into occult areas you

2255
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:32,430
know even things like witchcraft and in

2256
01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:35,040
the 50s the CIA actually had a little

2257
01:27:39,260 --> 01:27:37,500
side project where they research Ouija

2258
01:27:41,090 --> 01:27:39,270
boards to see if they could be used like

2259
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:41,100
a tool of espionage to spy on the enemy

2260
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:43,770
you know so government you know it's not

2261
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:45,840
much of a jump from there to things like

2262
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:48,300
remote viewing and psychic spying which

2263
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,130
the Pentagon was heavily involved in at

2264
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:52,320
one point so you know they have looked

2265
01:27:59,240 --> 01:27:55,650
into a cult if you like paranormal based

2266
01:28:01,940 --> 01:27:59,250
areas but in terms of you know in the

2267
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,950
question are asked about you know what

2268
01:28:06,020 --> 01:28:03,360
were they going to do with all this when

2269
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:06,030
they got their hands on it again I think

2270
01:28:09,860 --> 01:28:08,010
it comes down to trying to develop

2271
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:09,870
weaponry but one of the biggest problems

2272
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,910
of course even for government agencies

2273
01:28:16,750 --> 01:28:14,400
if you're trying to find the Ark of the

2274
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,760
Covenant you know which hasn't been seen

2275
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:19,440
who knows how long and and you know

2276
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:22,800
they're reported sort of secret storage

2277
01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:25,410
places forward all around the world know

2278
01:28:29,090 --> 01:28:27,270
if even if you're the government how are

2279
01:28:30,410 --> 01:28:29,100
you going to find it you know that

2280
01:28:33,530 --> 01:28:30,420
that's one of the challenges I think

2281
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:33,540
that the government came up with or was

2282
01:28:37,970 --> 01:28:35,730
faced with and it was a problem you know

2283
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:37,980
it's not like you get word that a

2284
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,690
Russian satellites just crashed and so

2285
01:28:43,570 --> 01:28:41,520
you go out to the site and get it you're

2286
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:43,580
talking about trying to find something

2287
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:46,050
from three four thousand years ago when

2288
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:47,580
all you've got to go on are ancient

2289
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,010
manuscripts texts which have been

2290
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:52,320
possibly translated and retranslated and

2291
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:55,170
retranslated again and you know this

2292
01:28:59,420 --> 01:28:57,060
something's potentially significant that

2293
01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:59,430
might be worth you finding or trying to

2294
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:02,040
find but how do you do it so again I

2295
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:04,170
think a lot of it was probably hit and

2296
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:06,900
miss you know it's like with the Ararat

2297
01:29:11,570 --> 01:29:09,170
anomaly that we talked about earlier

2298
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:11,580
they spend a lot of time trying to

2299
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:13,440
determine what was going on with it what

2300
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:15,690
he was does that mean they answered the

2301
01:29:19,550 --> 01:29:17,310
question and actually got anything of

2302
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:19,560
value from it no it doesn't he just

2303
01:29:23,690 --> 01:29:22,110
means you know maybe they did maybe they

2304
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:23,700
just put a lot of files together and

2305
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:25,530
pictures and I will let scratching their

2306
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:26,940
heads because the Turkish government

2307
01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:28,390
wouldn't allow them up there

2308
01:29:34,890 --> 01:29:33,160
your tax dollars at work that's why I

2309
01:29:37,470 --> 01:29:34,900
worry about things like that because you

2310
01:29:39,090 --> 01:29:37,480
wonder is the government truly concerned

2311
01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:39,100
about this or do they have a few wacky

2312
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:41,470
people with time on their hands and they

2313
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:44,110
want to do something to earn their

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01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:45,790
paycheck where they just keep their jobs

2315
01:29:49,980 --> 01:29:47,970
so they play around with this nonsense

2316
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:49,990
well I actually think it's a bit of both

2317
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:52,570
I mean you know that it is a fact that

2318
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,430
you have official agencies you know who

2319
01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:56,800
have a one particular mandate and that's

2320
01:30:01,320 --> 01:29:59,080
it what you also have our you know

2321
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:01,330
government agencies throw money here and

2322
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:03,250
everywhere in sets of think tanks if

2323
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:05,050
there's a chance of something working I

2324
01:30:08,730 --> 01:30:06,490
mean I'll give you a classic example

2325
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:08,740
using the Freedom of Information Act a

2326
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:10,930
few years ago I got a hold of a bunch of

2327
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:12,850
US Army files from the early fifties

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where the army had secretly set up like

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a little project to try and determine if

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either to make popes you're listening to

2445
01:34:59,529 --> 01:34:58,880
the paragraph so has this show gone to

2446
01:35:02,020 --> 01:34:59,539
the dogs

2447
01:35:03,879 --> 01:35:02,030
people say I have a bad sense of humor

2448
01:35:06,339 --> 01:35:03,889
but after listening to what Nick said

2449
01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:06,349
he's offered by the way of the pyramids

2450
01:35:08,799 --> 01:35:08,030
and the Pentagon with gene and Chris and

2451
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:08,809
the Farrah cast

2452
01:35:13,290 --> 01:35:11,570
you wonder looking for psychic dogs or

2453
01:35:15,549 --> 01:35:13,300
psychotic dogs

2454
01:35:17,500 --> 01:35:15,559
well yeah I mean just as this is an

2455
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:17,510
example of how government agencies throw

2456
01:35:21,759 --> 01:35:20,090
money around on bizarre projects which

2457
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:21,769
sometimes have a chance of coming true

2458
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,110
or working in other ways other times

2459
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:26,239
don't you know but this one basically

2460
01:35:32,290 --> 01:35:30,320
was a project 1952-53 where the

2461
01:35:34,509 --> 01:35:32,300
government or the military the army

2462
01:35:36,970 --> 01:35:34,519
planned a series of experiments to

2463
01:35:40,209 --> 01:35:36,980
determine if dog's possessed ESP and the

2464
01:35:43,209 --> 01:35:40,219
plan was to if they espied animals could

2465
01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:43,219
be proven the idea was to put the dogs

2466
01:35:47,589 --> 01:35:44,749
on the battlefield to see if they could

2467
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:47,599
use ESP to locate landmines now they

2468
01:35:53,890 --> 01:35:50,719
spent countless hours time project hours

2469
01:35:55,839 --> 01:35:53,900
etc etc tryna get this to work and he

2470
01:35:57,970 --> 01:35:55,849
didn't you know he didn't mean that the

2471
01:36:00,339 --> 01:35:57,980
dogs didn't possess ESP some people say

2472
01:36:03,339 --> 01:36:00,349
you know animals do have you know a fine

2473
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:03,349
keen sense of ESP and psychic powers but

2474
01:36:08,319 --> 01:36:06,320
he didn't work and so it was shelved but

2475
01:36:10,689 --> 01:36:08,329
not before they spent back in 52

2476
01:36:12,489 --> 01:36:10,699
something like $20,000 which was you

2477
01:36:14,739 --> 01:36:12,499
know quite a substantial amount of money

2478
01:36:16,979 --> 01:36:14,749
back then but for the Pentagon you know

2479
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:16,989
just sort of like a dip in the ocean so

2480
01:36:21,549 --> 01:36:20,210
sometimes projects are initiated because

2481
01:36:23,649 --> 01:36:21,559
they're guaranteed to work and they make

2482
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,659
sense other times like this one it

2483
01:36:27,250 --> 01:36:25,760
really is like a fringe operation where

2484
01:36:29,379 --> 01:36:27,260
you think you know what was the

2485
01:36:31,870 --> 01:36:29,389
government thinking of but the reason

2486
01:36:33,580 --> 01:36:31,880
they do these projects is because if one

2487
01:36:35,589 --> 01:36:33,590
out of a hundred works and it works

2488
01:36:37,870 --> 01:36:35,599
really well and it provides major

2489
01:36:39,939 --> 01:36:37,880
advantage then it was all worth it you

2490
01:36:41,649 --> 01:36:39,949
know and forget the other 99 that would

2491
01:36:42,879 --> 01:36:41,659
just screwball Chris let's move to

2492
01:36:45,310 --> 01:36:42,889
another question well it's interesting

2493
01:36:48,580 --> 01:36:45,320
that they'd be interested in this

2494
01:36:50,169 --> 01:36:48,590
particular kind of psychic ability of

2495
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,179
kind of pets if you will

2496
01:36:54,819 --> 01:36:51,920
Rupert Sheldrake has done some good work

2497
01:36:56,799 --> 01:36:54,829
in this area quite controversial work

2498
01:36:59,290 --> 01:36:56,809
actually looking at psychic links

2499
01:37:02,500 --> 01:36:59,300
between dogs and and pets and their

2500
01:37:03,379 --> 01:37:02,510
owners so I'm not surprised that that

2501
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:03,389
there be interest

2502
01:37:07,850 --> 01:37:06,449
on on that level by the government right

2503
01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:07,860
yeah go ahead you want to comment on

2504
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:09,900
Rupert's worker well yeah I was just

2505
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:11,489
going to say that the very fact that the

2506
01:37:14,930 --> 01:37:13,110
military you know couldn't sort of

2507
01:37:17,959 --> 01:37:14,940
organize these dogs and train them to

2508
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:17,969
use ESP to find landmines doesn't mean

2509
01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:20,489
ESP n-- animals doesn't exist it's like

2510
01:37:25,490 --> 01:37:22,139
how you how you can actually tell a dog

2511
01:37:27,979 --> 01:37:25,500
we want you to use your PSP to find

2512
01:37:30,140 --> 01:37:27,989
metal objects under the sand you know

2513
01:37:33,050 --> 01:37:30,150
they might as well train them to try and

2514
01:37:34,970 --> 01:37:33,060
use SP to find a car park fifty yards

2515
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:34,980
down the street for us we've trained

2516
01:37:39,410 --> 01:37:37,650
dogs to smell for drugs well that's

2517
01:37:40,459 --> 01:37:39,420
right but you know I mean we weren't we

2518
01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:40,469
weren't all about drugs you know you

2519
01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:42,300
talk about landmines now whether you

2520
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:43,409
know they were looking at the idea of

2521
01:37:47,330 --> 01:37:45,330
explosives having a distinctive smell

2522
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:47,340
that's not mentioning the files but if

2523
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:49,710
they did you might as well just say that

2524
01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:51,510
because dogs are really good noses you

2525
01:37:56,270 --> 01:37:53,670
know they found it through smells rather

2526
01:37:58,189 --> 01:37:56,280
than psychic powers so you know but that

2527
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,199
doesn't take away the possibility that

2528
01:38:02,060 --> 01:37:59,760
some sort of ESP

2529
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:02,070
in animals might exist it's just what

2530
01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:03,810
the fact that the government didn't

2531
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:05,340
prove its point you know you know I

2532
01:38:10,189 --> 01:38:07,800
think Eagles are very good at detecting

2533
01:38:11,740 --> 01:38:10,199
explosives if I'm not mistaken I think

2534
01:38:15,649 --> 01:38:11,750
they're the breed of choice for

2535
01:38:17,419 --> 01:38:15,659
detecting nitroglycerin c4 that sort of

2536
01:38:19,939 --> 01:38:17,429
thing here's a question from Forest Lake

2537
01:38:22,430 --> 01:38:19,949
who's one of our newest additions to the

2538
01:38:24,770 --> 01:38:22,440
Parra Castform family and he's from

2539
01:38:26,810 --> 01:38:24,780
Australia Forest Lake asks in your

2540
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,820
studies on UFO aliens and ancient

2541
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:29,040
civilizations would you say that there

2542
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:30,780
is evidence that man has been around

2543
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:32,850
longer than current scientific belief

2544
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:35,520
tells us if so could it be possible the

2545
01:38:38,689 --> 01:38:36,960
man has been more technologically

2546
01:38:41,149 --> 01:38:38,699
advanced in the past and we give credit

2547
01:38:46,910 --> 01:38:41,159
for and these ancient men might be

2548
01:38:49,070 --> 01:38:46,920
misidentified as ancient aliens yes I

2549
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:49,080
think you kind of addressed that a

2550
01:38:53,689 --> 01:38:50,760
little bit before but you do want to

2551
01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:53,699
kind of well yes antediluvian honest

2552
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:55,380
yeah I mean one of the interesting

2553
01:38:59,240 --> 01:38:57,330
things I talked about that a number of

2554
01:39:01,220 --> 01:38:59,250
researchers have suggested over the

2555
01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:01,230
years is you know when people talk about

2556
01:39:04,910 --> 01:39:03,480
ancient astronauts but a lot of these

2557
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:04,920
stories a problem see by the fact that

2558
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:07,110
you know a lot of ancient people talked

2559
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,489
about the Gods coming down in these

2560
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:10,800
fantastic flying machines and teaching

2561
01:39:14,330 --> 01:39:12,449
them all sorts of advanced technology

2562
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,340
well one of the other theories it's been

2563
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:17,040
suggested is that if in the

2564
01:39:20,810 --> 01:39:18,780
asked there were civilizations of a

2565
01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:20,820
highly advanced but he different ways to

2566
01:39:23,810 --> 01:39:22,950
ours but equally there are different

2567
01:39:25,220 --> 01:39:23,820
parts of the world

2568
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:25,230
there was still a very rudimentary

2569
01:39:30,740 --> 01:39:28,500
levels what would happen if say a highly

2570
01:39:33,020 --> 01:39:30,750
advanced culture in say ancient India

2571
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:33,030
thirty years ago traveled over to what

2572
01:39:37,340 --> 01:39:34,860
today central England when people were

2573
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,350
living in huts and you know just running

2574
01:39:42,710 --> 01:39:39,840
around trying to grab the idea for

2575
01:39:44,930 --> 01:39:42,720
dinner or whatever you know and they saw

2576
01:39:47,390 --> 01:39:44,940
some sort of advanced flying machine etc

2577
01:39:49,970 --> 01:39:47,400
they might perceive it as you know the

2578
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:49,980
Gods coming down not realizing you know

2579
01:39:53,630 --> 01:39:51,930
it was a an offshoot of their own

2580
01:39:56,660 --> 01:39:53,640
species from the other side of the world

2581
01:39:58,400 --> 01:39:56,670
and today of course you know the initial

2582
01:40:00,410 --> 01:39:58,410
reaction is well you know we weren't

2583
01:40:02,750 --> 01:40:00,420
flying anything like that back then it

2584
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:02,760
has to be aliens but maybe you know

2585
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,730
there is something to the idea that

2586
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:06,960
would there wasn't sort of like a huge

2587
01:40:10,220 --> 01:40:08,490
worldwide culture there were a lot of

2588
01:40:12,590 --> 01:40:10,230
splinters and they were at varying

2589
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:12,600
degrees of advancement and some of them

2590
01:40:16,610 --> 01:40:14,250
weren't even advanced at all and when

2591
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:16,620
they cross paths it inevitably led to

2592
01:40:21,620 --> 01:40:18,510
these different legends and stories that

2593
01:40:24,620 --> 01:40:21,630
really you know today push it more down

2594
01:40:26,300 --> 01:40:24,630
a UFO path than they do down an ancient

2595
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:26,310
offshoot that was highly advanced paths

2596
01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:29,610
and who's to say that they don't they're

2597
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,950
not still around maybe suboceanic living

2598
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:34,080
underground have some sort of

2599
01:40:37,730 --> 01:40:35,850
dimensional capability well I mean

2600
01:40:39,380 --> 01:40:37,740
that's an interesting theory you know I

2601
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:39,390
mean cultures all around the world again

2602
01:40:44,630 --> 01:40:42,120
have legends of you know highly advanced

2603
01:40:45,730 --> 01:40:44,640
beings living underground I mean I'll

2604
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:45,740
give you an example

2605
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,810
Walter Bosley afore the US Air Force

2606
01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:51,600
Office of Special Operations officer

2607
01:40:55,190 --> 01:40:53,880
and we should mention he's been on the

2608
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:55,200
power cast several times

2609
01:40:59,930 --> 01:40:57,690
ok well Walters you know Walter writes

2610
01:41:01,360 --> 01:40:59,940
under the the alias of II a guest he's

2611
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:01,370
written a number of very good books and

2612
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:04,050
he's he's openly got on a record of

2613
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:05,850
staying that he's dad who served in the

2614
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:08,370
US military was told that you know

2615
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:10,020
contrary to what people said in Roswell

2616
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:13,170
was an alien I mean you know it who

2617
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:15,330
knows if it's sort of a like a layer on

2618
01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:17,730
layer of a cover story that he was told

2619
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:20,550
that the military secretly knew that

2620
01:41:24,140 --> 01:41:21,750
there was like an ancient civilization

2621
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,150
on the earth that was sort of limited in

2622
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:26,400
scope and size and that live deep

2623
01:41:30,620 --> 01:41:28,770
underground and occasionally surfaced

2624
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:30,630
and occasionally had

2625
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:32,730
one of which occurred at Roswell you

2626
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:34,110
know it's kind of like the government

2627
01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:36,210
prefers people to think he was either a

2628
01:41:39,770 --> 01:41:38,340
military device or it was aliens rather

2629
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:39,780
than having panicked that there's some

2630
01:41:45,170 --> 01:41:42,690
super advanced civilization living below

2631
01:41:47,210 --> 01:41:45,180
us they're the original right rulers of

2632
01:41:49,610 --> 01:41:47,220
the world if you like and that goes

2633
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,620
again to the book that we discussed some

2634
01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:51,960
years back by the late Mac Tony's the

2635
01:41:58,520 --> 01:41:56,190
crypto terrestrials similar the idea

2636
01:42:00,800 --> 01:41:58,530
that you know the alien presence on the

2637
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:00,810
earth he's actually a guy is a

2638
01:42:06,980 --> 01:42:03,810
camouflage deliberately put in place by

2639
01:42:09,380 --> 01:42:06,990
entities who you know from the earth who

2640
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:09,390
lived here long before us and who know

2641
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:12,030
that we believe that them till think

2642
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:13,770
they're aliens and so they encourage

2643
01:42:17,480 --> 01:42:15,510
that mythology because he acts as a

2644
01:42:19,130 --> 01:42:17,490
cover for them when they interact with

2645
01:42:21,380 --> 01:42:19,140
us now do they interact with the

2646
01:42:24,230 --> 01:42:21,390
governments under their true identity or

2647
01:42:26,630 --> 01:42:24,240
do they still say hey yes we come from

2648
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:26,640
Alpha Centauri or something well you

2649
01:42:29,660 --> 01:42:27,930
know I mean these are sort of

2650
01:42:30,980 --> 01:42:29,670
speculative areas that we just don't

2651
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:30,990
know but what I will tell you is

2652
01:42:35,090 --> 01:42:32,850
interesting a lot of people don't know

2653
01:42:37,730 --> 01:42:35,100
this but Nick Pope who was you know

2654
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:37,740
formerly the the UFO best guide the

2655
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:40,440
British Ministry fence between 91 and 94

2656
01:42:45,620 --> 01:42:43,650
he wrote a novel in 1999 called

2657
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:45,630
Operation Thunder child and it was

2658
01:42:51,530 --> 01:42:48,030
basically based around an attack on the

2659
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:51,540
British Isles by alien forces and in the

2660
01:42:57,380 --> 01:42:54,030
book the US government actually has a

2661
01:43:00,080 --> 01:42:57,390
cover story that the aliens are an

2662
01:43:02,270 --> 01:43:00,090
ancient human race and you never saw it

2663
01:43:04,940 --> 01:43:02,280
initially it's not made clear you know

2664
01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:04,950
are the aliens agent humans or is it

2665
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:06,450
vice versa is it the other way around

2666
01:43:10,670 --> 01:43:08,910
but it's like a cover story that the US

2667
01:43:12,140 --> 01:43:10,680
government puts in place to can to

2668
01:43:14,180 --> 01:43:12,150
confuse the Brits when they get like a

2669
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:14,190
secret briefing and you know you have to

2670
01:43:18,860 --> 01:43:15,690
wonder you know where did Nick get that

2671
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:18,870
from well that dovetails nicely to a

2672
01:43:22,700 --> 01:43:20,760
question by Lord summer Isle

2673
01:43:26,630 --> 01:43:22,710
who's been a longtime poster at forum

2674
01:43:28,460 --> 01:43:26,640
dr. Peric ascom and he says not sure if

2675
01:43:30,350 --> 01:43:28,470
this is really related but I was

2676
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:30,360
listening to an old interview with Mac

2677
01:43:34,220 --> 01:43:32,250
Tony's recently and he mentioned in

2678
01:43:36,010 --> 01:43:34,230
passing that that you Nick had come

2679
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:36,020
across some declassified documents

2680
01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:38,730
regarding humanoids encountered on a

2681
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,409
Pacific island during World War

2682
01:43:43,729 --> 01:43:42,719
- do you remember anything about this or

2683
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:43,739
do you have any more information about

2684
01:43:50,209 --> 01:43:46,320
that oh yeah I think what he's talking

2685
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:50,219
about is it wasn't documents or at least

2686
01:43:54,919 --> 01:43:52,800
I didn't say was documents what it was

2687
01:43:56,959 --> 01:43:54,929
he was a story that actually several

2688
01:43:58,850 --> 01:43:56,969
stories one was uncovered by Leonard

2689
01:44:01,459 --> 01:43:58,860
Stringfield who did a lot of research in

2690
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:01,469
the seventies into crashed UFOs and 70s

2691
01:44:05,029 --> 01:44:03,209
through the nineties I should say and he

2692
01:44:07,759 --> 01:44:05,039
had a number of stories of like the sort

2693
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,769
of violent small humanoids I did

2694
01:44:14,540 --> 01:44:09,679
actually investigate a couple of stories

2695
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:14,550
from the sort of Japan China area in in

2696
01:44:18,350 --> 01:44:16,050
the Second World War where people would

2697
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:18,360
claim to have seen like sort of pygmy

2698
01:44:23,719 --> 01:44:21,209
like characters in the forest that were

2699
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:23,729
you know looks sort very primitive

2700
01:44:28,069 --> 01:44:25,650
humans now you know we weren't talking

2701
01:44:30,469 --> 01:44:28,079
about access to advanced technologies or

2702
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:30,479
anything like that but you know the the

2703
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:33,300
idea that there were sort of rudimentary

2704
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:35,489
or offshoots of the human race that

2705
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:38,489
weren't Homo Sapien still amongst us and

2706
01:44:42,290 --> 01:44:40,320
that's kind of like what max spoke about

2707
01:44:44,419 --> 01:44:42,300
in his book you know one of the things

2708
01:44:46,219 --> 01:44:44,429
that he discussed was the idea that you

2709
01:44:49,159 --> 01:44:46,229
know contrary to what we might assume

2710
01:44:50,750 --> 01:44:49,169
perhaps much of the image of the aliens

2711
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:50,760
of the crypto terrestrials these ancient

2712
01:44:55,129 --> 01:44:52,679
humans been highly advanced and having

2713
01:44:57,259 --> 01:44:55,139
access to all advanced technologies was

2714
01:44:59,120 --> 01:44:57,269
a bit of a ruse and kind of like a

2715
01:45:00,949 --> 01:44:59,130
camouflage for the fact that they're

2716
01:45:03,319 --> 01:45:00,959
actually on their last legs and they use

2717
01:45:04,939 --> 01:45:03,329
things like holographic imagery to sort

2718
01:45:06,679 --> 01:45:04,949
of make it seem like they were zipping

2719
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:06,689
all around the planet only given time

2720
01:45:11,629 --> 01:45:10,139
it's all terrestrial spin control we

2721
01:45:16,910 --> 01:45:11,639
have Nick Redfern with gene and Chris

2722
01:45:21,660 --> 01:45:17,610
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01:45:28,690 --> 01:45:21,670
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2726
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01:45:44,030 --> 01:45:41,820
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2739
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,980
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2740
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:12,480
wondered why banks stockbrokers

2741
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:14,010
investment advisors won't talk about

2742
01:46:17,780 --> 01:46:15,900
gold IRAs they've been available since

2743
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:17,790
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

2744
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:19,440
industry won't recognize the value of

2745
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gold free retirement

2746
01:46:24,890 --> 01:46:22,740
gold has outperformed paper investments

2747
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:24,900
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2748
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:12,230
806-853-9949 Anderson have you ever

2749
01:47:15,410 --> 01:47:13,590
wondered why banks star-fuckers

2750
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:15,420
investment advisors won't talk about

2751
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:17,250
gold IRAs they've been available since

2752
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:19,170
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

2753
01:47:22,610 --> 01:47:20,910
industry won't recognize the value of

2754
01:47:24,590 --> 01:47:22,620
gold for your attire Minh coal has

2755
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:24,600
outperformed paper investments yet no

2756
01:47:27,410 --> 01:47:25,770
word about IRAs

2757
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:27,420
if you would like to have gold for your

2758
01:47:40,810 --> 01:47:47,070
[Music]

2759
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:50,610
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2760
01:48:02,790 --> 01:47:54,930
standard of paranormal radio and now

2761
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:02,800
here's Jane Steinberg that last laughter

2762
01:48:07,410 --> 01:48:04,570
he finally got it if they ever do a

2763
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:07,420
remake of the shadow for TV radio or the

2764
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,170
movies call Nick Redfern not me I didn't

2765
01:48:15,450 --> 01:48:13,600
do it but what Nick did was write this

2766
01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:15,460
book called the pyramids and the

2767
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:18,280
Pentagon and it's worth it it's from new

2768
01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:19,810
page books which publishes a lot of

2769
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:21,670
information about the paranormal and

2770
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:24,250
UFOs with Gene and Chris and we were

2771
01:48:28,740 --> 01:48:26,830
exploring here all sorts of interesting

2772
01:48:31,050 --> 01:48:28,750
possibilities about the crypto

2773
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:31,060
terrestrials that takes us back to the

2774
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:33,760
alien form of communication using rocks

2775
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:35,410
and things I was thinking of Richard

2776
01:48:40,740 --> 01:48:38,290
shaver the D rose and T rose the under

2777
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:40,750
earth people and rock books are we

2778
01:48:44,940 --> 01:48:42,850
getting back to that now well you know

2779
01:48:46,620 --> 01:48:44,950
we could be I mean I mean Chavous story

2780
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:46,630
was highly controversial you know it's

2781
01:48:51,390 --> 01:48:48,370
not everybody who claims to get messages

2782
01:48:54,090 --> 01:48:51,400
through the welding gun you know that's

2783
01:48:56,900 --> 01:48:54,100
and there's also like the reason to say

2784
01:48:58,860 --> 01:48:56,910
well maybe Ray Palmer exploited shaver

2785
01:49:00,990 --> 01:48:58,870
considering him just some kind of

2786
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:01,000
lunatic who could put together stories

2787
01:49:05,010 --> 01:49:02,890
that he could rewrite and sell books

2788
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:05,020
well yeah I mean I think that's

2789
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:06,850
something we need to remember Ray Palmer

2790
01:49:10,620 --> 01:49:09,430
who actually sort of co-wrote becoming

2791
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:10,630
the flying saucer with Kenneth Arnold

2792
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:11,920
you know Ray Palmer was sort of

2793
01:49:16,110 --> 01:49:14,320
responsible for bringing a man who

2794
01:49:18,450 --> 01:49:16,120
created flight sauce if you like Kenneth

2795
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:18,460
Arnold into the book world you know so

2796
01:49:23,490 --> 01:49:21,310
he played a historic role in in the UFO

2797
01:49:26,190 --> 01:49:23,500
field of course but Palmer also has a

2798
01:49:29,070 --> 01:49:26,200
shaky or a questionable reputation now

2799
01:49:31,890 --> 01:49:29,080
you might remember the late Otto binder

2800
01:49:34,260 --> 01:49:31,900
no I don't mind ER with somebody who

2801
01:49:35,790 --> 01:49:34,270
wrote comic books like Captain Marvel he

2802
01:49:37,650 --> 01:49:35,800
wrote science fiction novels a very

2803
01:49:39,690 --> 01:49:37,660
close friend to Ray and I knew him this

2804
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:39,700
is back in the 60s and 70s I forget what

2805
01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:42,250
year he died and he told me one time

2806
01:49:47,340 --> 01:49:45,310
that Ray Palmer was never above writing

2807
01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:47,350
things just to get reader reaction and

2808
01:49:52,740 --> 01:49:50,470
certainly we also hear from Jerome Clark

2809
01:49:55,110 --> 01:49:52,750
our favorite UFO historian who worked

2810
01:49:56,940 --> 01:49:55,120
for fate magazine when the Fuller's were

2811
01:49:59,190 --> 01:49:56,950
running it and they didn't have very

2812
01:50:00,580 --> 01:49:59,200
kind things to say about Ray Palmer well

2813
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:00,590
you know I mean the thing to remember

2814
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:03,110
is that Parma you know was also an

2815
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:05,840
editor of a massively selling science

2816
01:50:11,169 --> 01:50:08,510
fiction magazine which sold even more

2817
01:50:12,970 --> 01:50:11,179
copies when he got rich Chevron bored

2818
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:12,980
and people just got fascinated and

2819
01:50:16,089 --> 01:50:14,690
obsessed by this story of the Darrow's

2820
01:50:17,919 --> 01:50:16,099
and these sort of vast underground

2821
01:50:19,209 --> 01:50:17,929
realms and cities now it doesn't mean

2822
01:50:22,660 --> 01:50:19,219
there's anything not anything to them

2823
01:50:25,390 --> 01:50:22,670
but Parma as the editor his role was

2824
01:50:28,300 --> 01:50:25,400
basically to get subscribers to get

2825
01:50:30,910 --> 01:50:28,310
readers and get more and more and more

2826
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:30,920
he basically sell magazines he was there

2827
01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:33,170
to make the magazine fascinating

2828
01:50:37,570 --> 01:50:35,020
compelling sell magazines and

2829
01:50:39,550 --> 01:50:37,580
parenthetically by the way the final

2830
01:50:41,410 --> 01:50:39,560
stories about John Carter of Mars

2831
01:50:43,839 --> 01:50:41,420
remember that movie they were published

2832
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:43,849
and amazing stories by Ray Palmer he got

2833
01:50:47,859 --> 01:50:45,650
the final works by Edgar Rice Burroughs

2834
01:50:50,140 --> 01:50:47,869
and of course the other important thing

2835
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,150
to remember is that you know if we look

2836
01:50:55,390 --> 01:50:52,880
at what Palmer said about the Darrow's

2837
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,400
and shaver story you know there's no

2838
01:50:59,560 --> 01:50:57,440
evidence that palmer ever dug deeply

2839
01:51:01,330 --> 01:50:59,570
into anything to try and verify it's

2840
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:01,340
what he basically did was encouraged

2841
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:03,530
from shaver to tell his stories and send

2842
01:51:07,950 --> 01:51:05,360
them in and then Palmer would publish

2843
01:51:10,270 --> 01:51:07,960
them it's not so much like he lied and

2844
01:51:13,390 --> 01:51:10,280
he'd but he knew what was going on

2845
01:51:15,010 --> 01:51:13,400
really etc etc he just asked the stuff

2846
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:15,020
to be sending and published it you know

2847
01:51:19,450 --> 01:51:16,880
there was I don't see any evidence that

2848
01:51:21,250 --> 01:51:19,460
he did any sort of investigation to

2849
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:21,260
verify it or not it was based around

2850
01:51:25,180 --> 01:51:22,880
receding a good story telling a good

2851
01:51:26,979 --> 01:51:25,190
story in a science fiction magazine I

2852
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,989
guess the big concern would be was he

2853
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:28,400
also telling good stories when he had

2854
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:30,650
supposedly factual magazines well yeah

2855
01:51:34,030 --> 01:51:32,090
that's the big question you know it's

2856
01:51:35,740 --> 01:51:34,040
like has somebody crossed you know

2857
01:51:37,959 --> 01:51:35,750
crossed the line from one to the other

2858
01:51:39,550 --> 01:51:37,969
and not made it clear I mean some people

2859
01:51:41,410 --> 01:51:39,560
do this you know people like gray

2860
01:51:43,060 --> 01:51:41,420
Barkley people say gray Barker's where

2861
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:43,070
it was fiction a lot of it but I would

2862
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:45,170
be more like gonzo journalists and where

2863
01:51:49,689 --> 01:51:47,090
he took real events real cases and real

2864
01:51:51,729 --> 01:51:49,699
people and had interesting ideas and

2865
01:51:53,470 --> 01:51:51,739
thoughts you wanted to get across so we

2866
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:53,480
spun it in the form of like a gonzo

2867
01:51:57,250 --> 01:51:55,310
story but a lot of people they don't

2868
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:57,260
like gonzo type journalism because it

2869
01:52:01,240 --> 01:51:58,880
confuses them it's like well is it

2870
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:01,250
fiction is it fact is he lying its own

2871
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:03,920
unique genre where you're telling truths

2872
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,510
in a sort of semi

2873
01:52:09,339 --> 01:52:07,520
parable fictional way you know whether

2874
01:52:10,959 --> 01:52:09,349
it's hunter s Thompson with Fear and

2875
01:52:13,300 --> 01:52:10,969
Loathing in Las Vegas or Jack Kerouac

2876
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:13,310
with on the road on the road is a novel

2877
01:52:16,630 --> 01:52:14,690
but it's based on

2878
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:16,640
Leila vents I know it's almost like a

2879
01:52:21,490 --> 01:52:19,610
subjective very highly subjective form

2880
01:52:22,990 --> 01:52:21,500
of journalism listen we have so much

2881
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:23,000
ground to cover and not always enough

2882
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:24,380
time Chris you got some more questions

2883
01:52:29,050 --> 01:52:27,110
well we have a question from Angela one

2884
01:52:32,350 --> 01:52:29,060
of the moderators at forum dr. Peric

2885
01:52:35,470 --> 01:52:32,360
ascom he's kind of our skeptical side we

2886
01:52:37,630 --> 01:52:35,480
do try to keep a good well balanced

2887
01:52:40,270 --> 01:52:37,640
perspective on the forums and Angelo

2888
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:40,280
asks NIC how do you keep track of

2889
01:52:43,660 --> 01:52:42,110
everything you research is there

2890
01:52:45,670 --> 01:52:43,670
anything you've ever written about that

2891
01:52:50,170 --> 01:52:45,680
you have completely changed your mind

2892
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:50,180
about that's a two-parter in terms of

2893
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:51,890
keeping track of everything you know you

2894
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:54,530
do what I think most people do which is

2895
01:52:59,200 --> 01:52:57,110
just preserve everything you know you

2896
01:53:01,300 --> 01:52:59,210
file it to me good old days in filing

2897
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:01,310
cabinets and today you know you keep it

2898
01:53:05,980 --> 01:53:03,770
on your hard drive you know or you just

2899
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:05,990
put it on a thumb drive or whatever so

2900
01:53:10,900 --> 01:53:08,690
that's how I keep track of everything in

2901
01:53:12,130 --> 01:53:10,910
terms of you know if my views have

2902
01:53:14,140 --> 01:53:12,140
changed I mean I've actually written

2903
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:14,150
books where I've specifically said this

2904
01:53:17,710 --> 01:53:15,920
is a fascinating story it's fascinating

2905
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,720
what the person's telling but I don't

2906
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:19,280
believe a word of it I mean for example

2907
01:53:24,540 --> 01:53:22,400
my 2010 book final events this is a

2908
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:24,550
study of a group in the Pentagon that

2909
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:27,110
analyzed the UFO phenomenon and came to

2910
01:53:31,330 --> 01:53:29,210
the conclusion that the entire mystery

2911
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:31,340
is literally demonic and when I say

2912
01:53:36,100 --> 01:53:33,050
literally did - I mean like heaven and

2913
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,110
hell Armageddon the devil horns pork

2914
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:38,960
tail demonic the horrible some souls

2915
01:53:44,350 --> 01:53:42,080
yeah now I don't believe that at all but

2916
01:53:46,060 --> 01:53:44,360
I didn't write the book to promote that

2917
01:53:47,950 --> 01:53:46,070
theory I wrote the book because I

2918
01:53:49,540 --> 01:53:47,960
thought it was fascinating that there

2919
01:53:51,460 --> 01:53:49,550
was a government that there was a group

2920
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:51,470
in government that believe this that was

2921
01:53:57,010 --> 01:53:54,650
funded to address this issue came to the

2922
01:53:58,930 --> 01:53:57,020
conclusion and actually includes a lot

2923
01:54:01,570 --> 01:53:58,940
of powerful people in government it was

2924
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:01,580
a fascinating story but I made clear it

2925
01:54:05,620 --> 01:54:03,440
was a fascinating story that I didn't

2926
01:54:07,690 --> 01:54:05,630
endorse in terms of the conclusion so

2927
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:07,700
yeah I mean a lot of the things I write

2928
01:54:12,010 --> 01:54:10,250
about I'm not telling a story but I'm

2929
01:54:14,350 --> 01:54:12,020
supporting I'm telling the story of why

2930
01:54:15,940 --> 01:54:14,360
other people may believe it I mean being

2931
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:15,950
a journalist you're not expressing an

2932
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:17,690
opinion one way or the other well no I

2933
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:19,610
am expressing an opinion I think the

2934
01:54:23,950 --> 01:54:21,890
demonic theory is complete bull now the

2935
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:23,960
other thing about here is it seems to me

2936
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:26,090
that maybe the government especially in

2937
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:28,510
the 40s and 50s are busy it's

2938
01:54:32,130 --> 01:54:30,370
boring German technology and they

2939
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:32,140
started getting into the real flaky

2940
01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:34,810
stuff such as ESP and all this other

2941
01:54:40,770 --> 01:54:37,660
stuff was it again because they were so

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flush with personnel from the war and

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01:54:45,330 --> 01:54:43,720
they needed to do things or maybe they

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01:54:47,070 --> 01:54:45,340
wanted to figure out what the Germans

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01:54:49,140 --> 01:54:47,080
were doing they got into all sorts of

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01:54:51,420 --> 01:54:49,150
areas that they don't do now so what

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01:54:52,980 --> 01:54:51,430
about today looking at the current

2948
01:54:55,050 --> 01:54:52,990
Pentagon do you think they're still

2949
01:54:57,690 --> 01:54:55,060
doing wacky stuff behind the scenes well

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01:54:59,400 --> 01:54:57,700
I think they are the amount of money

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01:55:03,540 --> 01:54:59,410
they have gene they're doing everything

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01:55:06,030 --> 01:55:03,550
under the Sun and probably way more yeah

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01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:06,040
thing of use of course the reason why we

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01:55:09,210 --> 01:55:07,450
get a better picture of the past is

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because certain things have come out

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01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:10,780
through the Freedom of Information Act

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certainly post 9/11 although there's

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still a FOIA in place you know it's

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01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:18,880
becoming harder and harder to to get

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material despite the fact that you know

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the government claims it's making things

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easier and of course you know it's

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01:55:29,970 --> 01:55:27,430
need-to-know is becoming more sort of

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01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:29,980
clamp down issue things like this so you

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01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:32,770
know if logic dictates if in the 50s

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though research and ESP and animals and

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Noah's Ark and the Dead Sea Scrolls in

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the 60s and 70s remote viewing through

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the 80s 90s you know we see evidence of

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the Air Force going back and looking at

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Roswell again and all this different

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stuff you know logic dictates that there

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must be more going on and probably a

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01:55:55,740 --> 01:55:53,500
great deal that we haven't you know even

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begun to uncover I mean the stuff that I

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told spending final events with the

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Collins elite and the demonic stuff

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there are a few fragments of that the

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story came to me from this guy Rob

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O'Shea and who interviewed or has

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actually had a meeting with a couple of

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these guys who are working on this

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demonic UFO project in your face-to-face

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meetings with him that's why I wrote the

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book because you know he he was the

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impetus for the story and that was his

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late at the early 1990s when the

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government was sort of dabbling into

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everything like Jack Parsons and you

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know country nut golems and also just

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stop supposedly so oh I love the way

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they just take our money and do weird

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things I guess part of it is that it

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would be nice if sometimes they actually

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had some meaningful result that would be

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more well I think the thing is you know

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when we look at these

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I actually think unfortunately from our

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perspective the ones we hear more about

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the ones that were touched to one side

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we're but not always but you know where

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something was they hope so they were

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gonna achieve something but didn't and

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so the file was closed and then of

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course it comes up through you know

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declassification I actually think the

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ones where wow they really achieved

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something you know that just went black

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and those are the ones we don't hear

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about so I don't think it's a case of

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they just never achieved anything it was

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all a waste of time we only see the ones

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I think that were a waste of time or we

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just get snippets and fragments like the

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Ararat anomaly which I don't think was a

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waste of time at all this is never a

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waste of time because we have Nick

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with gene and Chris we have Nick Redfern

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the book is the pyramids in the Pentagon

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and we've covered some of your questions

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others we've pretty much covered on the

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show we'll get to more of the book is

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just fascinating always a great read

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from Nick Redfern he puts it together

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there is one subject here I'd like to

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get into we've been talking about

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ancient history the Philadelphia

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Experiment the pentagon's experiments

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and from time to climb we've talked

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about the Martian mysteries and I guess

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because just this past week I finally

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saw the movie John Carter based on the

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Edgar Rice Burroughs novel a Princess of

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Mars about somebody an earth man going

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to Mars and seeing the remnants of a

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civilization that was dying different

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races and everything so how was it was

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02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:44,980
it good did you like a great movie

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it got average reviews but it's really

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bad because Walt Disney did not have a

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clue how to promote this story because

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if you look at the story John Carter I

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recommend you stream it you rent it

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whatever take a look and then think of

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how avatar was influenced think about

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the fact that this story was influenced

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by the story of Pocahontas and John

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Smith and everything think about all the

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influences to science fiction it came

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from a novel written in 1912 by Edgar

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Rice Burroughs before he wrote Tarzan

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really fascinating

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let's go to Mars the face on Mars and

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the Pharaohs what kind of resemblance or

3164
02:03:29,340 --> 02:03:27,160
connection do we find there well again

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02:03:31,530 --> 02:03:29,350
this is you know sort of that the I

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guess it's really at the far end you

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02:03:36,210 --> 02:03:33,880
know some of the more extreme conspiracy

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theories as they relate to ancient

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civilizations on earth you know I mean

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02:03:43,020 --> 02:03:40,030
everybody has heard of the face on Mars

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02:03:45,630 --> 02:03:43,030
even NASA you know admits there is a

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02:03:47,820 --> 02:03:45,640
face on Mars but their position is that

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02:03:49,260 --> 02:03:47,830
it's not a carved face they kind of view

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02:03:52,050 --> 02:03:49,270
it as the equivalent of people seeing

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faces in clouds you know that that's

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their official stance on it that in yes

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02:03:59,010 --> 02:03:56,590
he looks like a face but that doesn't

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mean it is a face oh yeah yeah yeah

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exactly

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now a number of people have suggest

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we're not suggesting but have pointed

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out but in the region of Cydonia on Mars

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where you can find a face there appear

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to be what looked like pyramid type

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structures very close by and the fact

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that in some of the photographs the face

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itself is he sort of peers upwards from

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the planet has this sort of sphinx-like

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appearance you know when you put things

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plus pyramids you know inevitably draws

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an analogy with what we see in Egypt you

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know in Cairo in other words this has

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02:04:34,770 --> 02:04:32,710
sort of given rise to the theories well

3194
02:04:36,330 --> 02:04:34,780
is it possible that some of these

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stories of ancient astronauts coming

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down and influencing or even like

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building some of these massive ancient

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structures you know these multi tunned

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cities and walls etc etc could whoever

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built them here on earth or helped build

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them here on earth have been somehow

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directly linked with whoever built the

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face on Mars and the pyramids on Mars

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if indeed you know they are artificial

3205
02:05:01,770 --> 02:05:00,370
and they're not just a case of you know

3206
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:01,780
they look strained but they're actually

3207
02:05:05,490 --> 02:05:03,970
not you know that this is an area that's

3208
02:05:07,410 --> 02:05:05,500
been the subject of like endless

3209
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:07,420
research and debate in the last few

3210
02:05:11,190 --> 02:05:09,970
years and a people like Richard Hoagland

3211
02:05:13,740 --> 02:05:11,200
you know Britain sort of followed the

3212
02:05:15,570 --> 02:05:13,750
books on it Matt Tony sort of mentioned

3213
02:05:18,300 --> 02:05:15,580
earlier he addressed it very deeply in

3214
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:18,310
his 2004 book after the Martian

3215
02:05:24,450 --> 02:05:21,040
apocalypse which again you know sort of

3216
02:05:27,060 --> 02:05:24,460
drew upon photographs and imagery of

3217
02:05:28,380 --> 02:05:27,070
sort of weird formations on Mars and you

3218
02:05:30,270 --> 02:05:28,390
know I include one in the book also

3219
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:30,280
which looks you know don't people can

3220
02:05:33,050 --> 02:05:31,930
put it down to like same places in

3221
02:05:36,020 --> 02:05:33,060
clouds but he kind of

3222
02:05:37,790 --> 02:05:36,030
does look like a side profile of an

3223
02:05:40,850 --> 02:05:37,800
Egyptian woman you know we sort of the

3224
02:05:42,580 --> 02:05:40,860
classic headrests etc and what's we it

3225
02:05:44,660 --> 02:05:42,590
is that there are a number of stories

3226
02:05:46,730 --> 02:05:44,670
relative to the face on Mars that

3227
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:46,740
suggests maybe somebody in government

3228
02:05:51,740 --> 02:05:48,540
possibly knew about it

3229
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:51,750
long before the mid-1970s photograph

3230
02:05:55,700 --> 02:05:54,090
service from NASA I mean for example one

3231
02:05:58,730 --> 02:05:55,710
of the people who we have to look at is

3232
02:05:59,840 --> 02:05:58,740
Jack Kirby Jack Kirby we I don't know

3233
02:06:02,360 --> 02:05:59,850
anything that comic books they don't

3234
02:06:03,860 --> 02:06:02,370
read him but even I know that Jack Kirby

3235
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:03,870
was you know one of the most famous

3236
02:06:08,510 --> 02:06:06,690
comic book artists of all time he was

3237
02:06:10,750 --> 02:06:08,520
also someone who had actually involved

3238
02:06:15,380 --> 02:06:10,760
in a couple of CIA psyops

3239
02:06:18,020 --> 02:06:15,390
programs in the 70s how so I want to

3240
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:18,030
hear this because Jack Kirby is probably

3241
02:06:22,340 --> 02:06:20,130
one of the most famous comic book

3242
02:06:25,070 --> 02:06:22,350
artists he did a lot of the Marvel comic

3243
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:25,080
book characters like Captain America and

3244
02:06:29,090 --> 02:06:27,090
the Avengers anybody where that was not

3245
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:29,100
his real name he was born Jacob

3246
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:31,650
Kurtzberg so when you looked up

3247
02:06:39,470 --> 02:06:33,210
information about Jack Kirby that you

3248
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:39,480
check Jacob Kurtzberg I mean the thing

3249
02:06:43,550 --> 02:06:41,520
is we've Jack Kirby one of the things he

3250
02:06:47,150 --> 02:06:43,560
was involved in you'll remember when the

3251
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:47,160
Iranian hostage crisis was on in 1979

3252
02:06:53,180 --> 02:06:50,730
slash 1980 a lot of Americans who worked

3253
02:06:54,980 --> 02:06:53,190
at the US Embassy in Tehran you know

3254
02:06:56,240 --> 02:06:54,990
they were in prison they're basically

3255
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:56,250
they couldn't get out

3256
02:07:00,890 --> 02:06:58,560
you know the intents and purposes the

3257
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:00,900
Iranians are holding them hostage well

3258
02:07:06,040 --> 02:07:03,570
what happened was that when the Iranians

3259
02:07:09,410 --> 02:07:06,050
commandeered the American Embassy a

3260
02:07:11,930 --> 02:07:09,420
handful of embassy personnel managed to

3261
02:07:13,700 --> 02:07:11,940
escape and they made their way to the

3262
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:13,710
Canadian Embassy and of course you know

3263
02:07:18,860 --> 02:07:16,170
Canada wasn't involved in a quarrel with

3264
02:07:20,930 --> 02:07:18,870
the Iranian so there was no big deal but

3265
02:07:23,180 --> 02:07:20,940
the plan was then created to try and

3266
02:07:25,790 --> 02:07:23,190
smuggle out these sort of six or seven

3267
02:07:27,980 --> 02:07:25,800
people back to the US and it was done

3268
02:07:30,500 --> 02:07:27,990
under the guise of that they were

3269
02:07:33,980 --> 02:07:30,510
actually Canadian filmmakers in Tehran

3270
02:07:36,260 --> 02:07:33,990
to make a sci-fi movie which you know

3271
02:07:37,790 --> 02:07:36,270
Tehran Iran would be the ideal setting

3272
02:07:40,970 --> 02:07:37,800
and it would have all sorts of

3273
02:07:43,340 --> 02:07:40,980
references to Middle Eastern religions

3274
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:43,350
etc you know be good cover and Jack

3275
02:07:46,819 --> 02:07:45,780
Kirby actually provided artwork that

3276
02:07:48,829 --> 02:07:46,829
helped sort of

3277
02:07:49,909 --> 02:07:48,839
credence to the idea you know that it

3278
02:07:52,099 --> 02:07:49,919
was a failed coup you know they would

3279
02:07:53,540 --> 02:07:52,109
like storyboard artwork that he did for

3280
02:07:54,409 --> 02:07:53,550
the CIA you know there are a couple of

3281
02:07:56,329 --> 02:07:54,419
things like that

3282
02:07:58,639 --> 02:07:56,339
and the reason I mention this is because

3283
02:08:01,279 --> 02:07:58,649
people said that the government knew

3284
02:08:03,529 --> 02:08:01,289
about the face on Mars long before the

3285
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,539
mid seventies now back in the late

3286
02:08:07,759 --> 02:08:05,280
nineteen fifties Jack Kirby those a

3287
02:08:09,619 --> 02:08:07,769
three part sci-fi story a comic book

3288
02:08:12,919 --> 02:08:09,629
three-part story the second of which was

3289
02:08:14,659 --> 02:08:12,929
called the face on Mars and involves a

3290
02:08:17,689 --> 02:08:14,669
group of astronauts going to Mars and

3291
02:08:19,399 --> 02:08:17,699
find in this huge carved head on the

3292
02:08:21,049 --> 02:08:19,409
surface of Mars which one of them enters

3293
02:08:23,359 --> 02:08:21,059
through the eye sockets and finds this

3294
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,369
sort of huge sprawling city inside and

3295
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:25,679
and there are other stories I mean you

3296
02:08:29,899 --> 02:08:27,570
mentioned our our binder he actually

3297
02:08:33,049 --> 02:08:29,909
wrote a novel in the early 70s which

3298
02:08:34,579 --> 02:08:33,059
also focused on pyramids in Mahon Mars I

3299
02:08:36,739 --> 02:08:34,589
fell behind his friends with Willie

3300
02:08:39,469 --> 02:08:36,749
Leigh you know Willie Leigh has a deep

3301
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:39,479
background and connection to the whole

3302
02:08:44,629 --> 02:08:41,760
German scientists rocket scientists at

3303
02:08:45,139 --> 02:08:44,639
the Second World War we also have a

3304
02:08:48,109 --> 02:08:45,149
commie

3305
02:08:50,659 --> 02:08:48,119
excuse me a kids series of the early 50s

3306
02:08:52,399 --> 02:08:50,669
Tom Corbett which was basically like a

3307
02:08:54,529 --> 02:08:52,409
you know he's an adventurous astronaut

3308
02:08:57,919 --> 02:08:54,539
would fly round the solar system you

3309
02:09:00,290 --> 02:08:57,929
know is basically like a cadet yeah I'm

3310
02:09:03,079 --> 02:09:00,300
quite space cadet there was a TV show

3311
02:09:04,879 --> 02:09:03,089
and it was based on some juvenile novels

3312
02:09:06,770 --> 02:09:04,889
of the period yeah that's right and

3313
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:06,780
what's interesting is that in one of

3314
02:09:12,889 --> 02:09:09,510
those stories basically the theme of it

3315
02:09:16,849 --> 02:09:12,899
is pyramids carved faces trips to Mars

3316
02:09:20,359 --> 02:09:16,859
etc etc I mean various people actually

3317
02:09:22,429 --> 02:09:20,369
involved in sort of the consultants you

3318
02:09:24,469 --> 02:09:22,439
level with the program so again could be

3319
02:09:25,729 --> 02:09:24,479
traced back to German rocket programs

3320
02:09:28,849 --> 02:09:25,739
you know with scientists brought over

3321
02:09:31,009 --> 02:09:28,859
from Germany so in other words you know

3322
02:09:34,339 --> 02:09:31,019
we have these different strands of

3323
02:09:36,589 --> 02:09:34,349
stories they all seem to sort of preempt

3324
02:09:39,859 --> 02:09:36,599
if you like the official discovery of

3325
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:39,869
the face on Mars in 1975 we find people

3326
02:09:44,929 --> 02:09:42,570
involved in these earlier stories having

3327
02:09:48,319 --> 02:09:44,939
links to officialdom like Willie Lay and

3328
02:09:51,770 --> 02:09:48,329
like Jack Kirby now so the intimation

3329
02:09:53,779 --> 02:09:51,780
here is that they wrote these stories to

3330
02:09:56,119 --> 02:09:53,789
what prepare us for these possibilities

3331
02:09:57,529 --> 02:09:56,129
well yeah I mean the interesting thing

3332
02:09:59,389 --> 02:09:57,539
is all these stories don't from the

3333
02:10:00,800 --> 02:09:59,399
fifties a magic Kirby one that was the

3334
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:00,810
latest one you know

3335
02:10:06,590 --> 02:10:03,810
theory is that possibly somebody wanted

3336
02:10:08,420 --> 02:10:06,600
to subtly prepare people for the idea

3337
02:10:10,070 --> 02:10:08,430
that there were there was life on Mars

3338
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:10,080
or there had been and that there was

3339
02:10:14,420 --> 02:10:12,930
evidence in the form of God vastly old

3340
02:10:16,160 --> 02:10:14,430
structures that's the thing that runs

3341
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through all these stories the Dead Sea's

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listening to the parent cap Nick Redfern

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02:15:01,530 --> 02:14:59,290
is author of a book called the pyramids

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02:15:03,270 --> 02:15:01,540
in the Pentagon and we've gotten to Mars

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here of course we started earlier

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talking about John Carter or John Carter

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of Mars and it's a movie of course that

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didn't do that well Disney took a huge

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loss on that like a 200 million dollar

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bath and I hope that people will buy the

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DVD or watch it and we were talking here

3460
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about some of the concepts being written

3461
02:15:25,860 --> 02:15:24,100
by novelists comic book artists that the

3462
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government was toying with but in the

3463
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end is there anything about the face on

3464
02:15:32,820 --> 02:15:30,220
Mars or pyramids on Mars that we should

3465
02:15:35,010 --> 02:15:32,830
take real seriously well I mean I think

3466
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we should take seriously the fact that

3467
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we have what looks you know not

3468
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everybody agrees of course of what we

3469
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have is a face or something that looks

3470
02:15:47,580 --> 02:15:43,510
like a carved face with pyramid type

3471
02:15:50,430 --> 02:15:47,590
structures not far away we have stories

3472
02:15:52,410 --> 02:15:50,440
going back to the 50s entitled the face

3473
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:52,420
on Mars where the person or people in

3474
02:15:58,200 --> 02:15:55,570
question had links back to the

3475
02:16:00,150 --> 02:15:58,210
intelligence world now does that mean

3476
02:16:01,860 --> 02:16:00,160
something does it mean nothing does it

3477
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:01,870
mean everything the answer is we don't

3478
02:16:07,740 --> 02:16:04,930
know but for me the worst thing we could

3479
02:16:09,480 --> 02:16:07,750
do is to ignore these strands and

3480
02:16:11,790 --> 02:16:09,490
threads and that's you know that's why I

3481
02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:11,800
encourage research into this area

3482
02:16:16,440 --> 02:16:14,110
not because I'm fully convinced it's

3483
02:16:18,330 --> 02:16:16,450
going to be vindicated or it's gonna be

3484
02:16:20,010 --> 02:16:18,340
you know just totally blown out the

3485
02:16:22,110 --> 02:16:20,020
water if we go there and it really is

3486
02:16:25,050 --> 02:16:22,120
just an old rock come down on a

3487
02:16:28,970 --> 02:16:25,060
breakaway civilization scenario that we

3488
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:28,980
developed at least rudimentary

3489
02:16:34,890 --> 02:16:31,450
interplanetary craft we've already been

3490
02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:34,900
to Mars for instance that Richard Dolan

3491
02:16:38,670 --> 02:16:36,910
has been touting this whole idea of a

3492
02:16:41,610 --> 02:16:38,680
breakaway civilization lately David

3493
02:16:43,380 --> 02:16:41,620
Childress kind of sort of hints around

3494
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:43,390
sometimes he thinks maybe there is a

3495
02:16:47,250 --> 02:16:45,490
secret space program and that we we've

3496
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:47,260
been a lot more places than we admit

3497
02:16:51,210 --> 02:16:48,880
we're going to come down on that do you

3498
02:16:53,610 --> 02:16:51,220
see any evidence of this well I mean I

3499
02:16:54,900 --> 02:16:53,620
don't know I agreed that I would go as

3500
02:16:57,180 --> 02:16:54,910
far as to say there's a breakaway

3501
02:16:59,340 --> 02:16:57,190
civilization but I think there are

3502
02:17:00,129 --> 02:16:59,350
enough strands to suggest elements of

3503
02:17:02,649 --> 02:17:00,139
something like

3504
02:17:05,439 --> 02:17:02,659
a secret probably military rather than

3505
02:17:07,660 --> 02:17:05,449
NASA space program of some sort I mean

3506
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:07,670
I'll give you a few examples if we look

3507
02:17:12,370 --> 02:17:10,130
at the you know the u.s. space program

3508
02:17:14,649 --> 02:17:12,380
as it is today you know it's pretty

3509
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:14,659
pretty much you know pretty post age you

3510
02:17:19,030 --> 02:17:16,880
know if we want to send medic wants to

3511
02:17:20,500 --> 02:17:19,040
send astronauts into space they pretty

3512
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:20,510
much just got a plague with the Russians

3513
02:17:24,189 --> 02:17:22,250
you know please we send one of our guys

3514
02:17:25,660 --> 02:17:24,199
up with yours you know and don't you

3515
02:17:28,419 --> 02:17:25,670
know the Russians just love that and

3516
02:17:31,450 --> 02:17:28,429
people say well you know how could we

3517
02:17:32,860 --> 02:17:31,460
have fallen back so far and it's all

3518
02:17:35,049 --> 02:17:32,870
just gone to ruin after all the

3519
02:17:37,839 --> 02:17:35,059
legendary you know man missions to the

3520
02:17:40,269 --> 02:17:37,849
moon etc well the more likely scenario

3521
02:17:41,139 --> 02:17:40,279
in my mind is that that wouldn't be

3522
02:17:43,540 --> 02:17:41,149
allowed to happen

3523
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:43,550
now NASA you know primarily all those

3524
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:45,290
agency of government primarily it's

3525
02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:47,210
involved in space exploration but you

3526
02:17:50,500 --> 02:17:48,559
know the Space Shuttle missions did

3527
02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:50,510
launch spy satellites for the military

3528
02:17:54,040 --> 02:17:51,710
in the intelligence community

3529
02:17:56,379 --> 02:17:54,050
but we hear rumors and stories

3530
02:17:58,540 --> 02:17:56,389
suggesting you know the military may

3531
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:58,550
have its own secret space program maybe

3532
02:18:02,709 --> 02:18:00,800
one that NASA knows nothing about now if

3533
02:18:04,450 --> 02:18:02,719
that is the case you know there's no way

3534
02:18:06,580 --> 02:18:04,460
they can be launching the equivalent of

3535
02:18:08,110 --> 02:18:06,590
Saturn rockets into space or even the

3536
02:18:10,599 --> 02:18:08,120
Space Shuttle because everybody would

3537
02:18:13,089 --> 02:18:10,609
see these huge engines you know roaring

3538
02:18:14,740 --> 02:18:13,099
as the the rocket goes up people be

3539
02:18:16,899 --> 02:18:14,750
thinking what on earth that you know why

3540
02:18:18,490 --> 02:18:16,909
weren't we told about that mission so in

3541
02:18:20,019 --> 02:18:18,500
other words the technology would have to

3542
02:18:21,939 --> 02:18:20,029
be so advanced you know they could

3543
02:18:24,490 --> 02:18:21,949
launch a small craft you know say

3544
02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:24,500
midnight in relative silence and it just

3545
02:18:28,209 --> 02:18:26,510
you know it leaves you atmosphere nobody

3546
02:18:30,759 --> 02:18:28,219
know so it clearly wouldn't be working

3547
02:18:33,309 --> 02:18:30,769
by chemical propellants etc would be

3548
02:18:34,689 --> 02:18:33,319
highly advanced technologies now this

3549
02:18:36,309 --> 02:18:34,699
sort of brings us back to people like

3550
02:18:39,009 --> 02:18:36,319
gary mckinnon you know the british

3551
02:18:41,229 --> 02:18:39,019
computer hacker who said that when he

3552
02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:41,239
was sort of doing his hacking activities

3553
02:18:46,059 --> 02:18:43,880
he claims have come across this list of

3554
02:18:47,889 --> 02:18:46,069
military personnel that was basically

3555
02:18:49,299 --> 02:18:47,899
connected with space missions and they

3556
02:18:50,500 --> 02:18:49,309
were described as non-terrestrial

3557
02:18:52,500 --> 02:18:50,510
officers

3558
02:18:55,089 --> 02:18:52,510
you know the whole ream of personnel

3559
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:55,099
non-terrestrial officers you know

3560
02:19:00,280 --> 02:18:58,010
however you term it or saved it kind of

3561
02:19:02,620 --> 02:19:00,290
sounds like personnel working off the

3562
02:19:03,519 --> 02:19:02,630
planet you know because they were listed

3563
02:19:05,290 --> 02:19:03,529
by name we're not talking

3564
02:19:08,049 --> 02:19:05,300
non-terrestrial officers in the sense of

3565
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:08,059
being some alien military force you know

3566
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:10,250
it was like Colonel this or you know

3567
02:19:14,220 --> 02:19:12,370
Admiral that dozen

3568
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:14,230
right now that we can actually look up

3569
02:19:19,560 --> 02:19:18,010
these people and see now yeah I think he

3570
02:19:22,980 --> 02:19:19,570
just saw he said there was a hundred and

3571
02:19:25,530 --> 02:19:22,990
fifty something 155 names yeah I mean if

3572
02:19:27,900 --> 02:19:25,540
you googled non-terrestrial officers you

3573
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:27,910
come back to what McKinnon said in other

3574
02:19:31,919 --> 02:19:29,530
words you know you don't find it

3575
02:19:33,330 --> 02:19:31,929
splashed all over nasa's websites or the

3576
02:19:35,790 --> 02:19:33,340
pentagon sites that it means something

3577
02:19:38,550 --> 02:19:35,800
else you know it's it's like if it's a

3578
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:38,560
real term he hasn't reached the public

3579
02:19:42,480 --> 02:19:40,410
domain or the internet other than by a

3580
02:19:44,669 --> 02:19:42,490
McKinnon but you know things like that

3581
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:44,679
some of the stuff which Dolan's pulled

3582
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:46,210
up you know he's Richards written a

3583
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:48,370
couple of good articles about this whole

3584
02:19:53,490 --> 02:19:50,800
issue things like this lead me to

3585
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:53,500
believe that well I don't think you know

3586
02:19:58,080 --> 02:19:55,930
I mean I could be wrong I don't think

3587
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:58,090
there are you know vast human

3588
02:20:01,530 --> 02:19:59,920
civilizations we are Mars of the moon

3589
02:20:03,660 --> 02:20:01,540
and everywhere else just in case things

3590
02:20:06,660 --> 02:20:03,670
go belly up here I wouldn't be at all

3591
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:06,670
surprised if advanced technologies you

3592
02:20:11,490 --> 02:20:09,040
know far more advanced than we think and

3593
02:20:13,500 --> 02:20:11,500
there may well have been missions you

3594
02:20:15,570 --> 02:20:13,510
know maybe that maybe they are being

3595
02:20:17,630 --> 02:20:15,580
funded clandestine missions to the Moon

3596
02:20:20,580 --> 02:20:17,640
and Mars and maybe that explains the

3597
02:20:23,100 --> 02:20:20,590
almost like a determined push to deny

3598
02:20:24,810 --> 02:20:23,110
there is anything on Mars you know it's

3599
02:20:26,610 --> 02:20:24,820
like if nobody can go there what's the

3600
02:20:28,051 --> 02:20:26,620
fuss you know well the other question I

3601
02:20:30,301 --> 02:20:28,061
would have about that whenever we raised

3602
02:20:30,930 --> 02:20:30,311
the possibility of the secret space

3603
02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:30,940
program

3604
02:20:35,310 --> 02:20:33,490
what about advanced weaponry and if we

3605
02:20:37,591 --> 02:20:35,320
have advanced weaponry why don't we use

3606
02:20:40,110 --> 02:20:37,601
that threat to basically stop all the

3607
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:40,120
Mideast nonsense well you know I think

3608
02:20:43,801 --> 02:20:42,160
again a lot of it is dependent on who's

3609
02:20:46,591 --> 02:20:43,811
got the weaponry you know is it the

3610
02:20:48,480 --> 02:20:46,601
military as a whole is it sort of you

3611
02:20:51,841 --> 02:20:48,490
know covert groups that are following

3612
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:51,851
their own sort of agendas you know to

3613
02:20:55,890 --> 02:20:54,010
what extent does the government's not

3614
02:20:57,690 --> 02:20:55,900
want to end war that wants to perpetuate

3615
02:21:04,470 --> 02:20:57,700
it it's like the old adage you know the

3616
02:21:06,990 --> 02:21:04,480
war increases the economy yeah that's

3617
02:21:11,100 --> 02:21:07,000
like an unfortunate fact that you know

3618
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:11,110
you go to war and to an extent ability

3619
02:21:14,910 --> 02:21:12,730
economy but you know what you know when

3620
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:14,920
he got to the extent that you know that

3621
02:21:17,850 --> 02:21:16,720
the money starts to be siphoned off from

3622
02:21:20,551 --> 02:21:17,860
other programs that's when he gets

3623
02:21:22,890 --> 02:21:20,561
problematic but in terms of creating new

3624
02:21:23,970 --> 02:21:22,900
jobs and things like that money no war

3625
02:21:26,070 --> 02:21:23,980
is where it's at

3626
02:21:27,450 --> 02:21:26,080
so you know that means

3627
02:21:29,310 --> 02:21:27,460
studies have been done this whole idea

3628
02:21:31,140 --> 02:21:29,320
of you know would it be economically

3629
02:21:33,480 --> 02:21:31,150
feasible for the planet to live in peace

3630
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:33,490
you know and it sounds crazy that people

3631
02:21:37,261 --> 02:21:35,530
would even want something other than

3632
02:21:39,960 --> 02:21:37,271
that but you know these sort of crazy

3633
02:21:41,970 --> 02:21:39,970
people who say no we've got our state of

3634
02:21:43,770 --> 02:21:41,980
war because it actually if the long run

3635
02:21:47,910 --> 02:21:43,780
helps you know they're insane

3636
02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:47,920
yes insane irony yes just craziness but

3637
02:21:53,490 --> 02:21:49,990
but that says up for a viable reason as

3638
02:21:56,460 --> 02:21:53,500
to why highly advanced weaponry that

3639
02:21:58,470 --> 02:21:56,470
could you know if it even if I just used

3640
02:22:00,180 --> 02:21:58,480
it a localized level as a demonstration

3641
02:22:02,280 --> 02:22:00,190
could end warfare overnight you know

3642
02:22:03,810 --> 02:22:02,290
it's like if you don't stop this is what

3643
02:22:05,430 --> 02:22:03,820
we're going to use on you you know in

3644
02:22:07,261 --> 02:22:05,440
the same way Japan was threatened at the

3645
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:07,271
end of the Second World War but they you

3646
02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:09,370
know they just carried on and then what

3647
02:22:13,140 --> 02:22:11,170
happened was they the systematic

3648
02:22:15,301 --> 02:22:13,150
obliteration of Japan began and then

3649
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:15,311
when two cities were destroyed Japan

3650
02:22:19,051 --> 02:22:16,720
panicked and said okay enough enough

3651
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:19,061
will will surrender we show their

3652
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:21,280
advanced weaponry now it's just drones

3653
02:22:26,940 --> 02:22:24,730
yeah exactly but I think you know today

3654
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:26,950
you could unleash something possibly and

3655
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:28,960
you know just just show it to people

3656
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:30,850
just do it one demonstration it's like

3657
02:22:35,580 --> 02:22:33,850
hey stop and that could be done but

3658
02:22:38,100 --> 02:22:35,590
there are there are reasons

3659
02:22:40,470 --> 02:22:38,110
certain people politics economics they

3660
02:22:43,170 --> 02:22:40,480
don't want that guns now think then that

3661
02:22:45,090 --> 02:22:43,180
the possibility that advanced alien

3662
02:22:46,860 --> 02:22:45,100
technology has been funneled into

3663
02:22:48,810 --> 02:22:46,870
private industry or the military and

3664
02:22:51,060 --> 02:22:48,820
that's what we're talking about here

3665
02:22:52,770 --> 02:22:51,070
well I mean that could be the case I

3666
02:22:55,261 --> 02:22:52,780
mean sort of the perfect example about

3667
02:22:57,420 --> 02:22:55,271
is people like Philip Corso you know the

3668
02:22:59,790 --> 02:22:57,430
Roswell story about ceding alien

3669
02:23:02,220 --> 02:22:59,800
technology I don't I don't dispute that

3670
02:23:04,350 --> 02:23:02,230
as a possibility and certainly that

3671
02:23:06,210 --> 02:23:04,360
would be the logical thing to do because

3672
02:23:08,190 --> 02:23:06,220
you know a lot of people don't

3673
02:23:10,410 --> 02:23:08,200
necessarily realize that you know the

3674
02:23:13,320 --> 02:23:10,420
military when it's developing new

3675
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:13,330
weapons it's not always done by army

3676
02:23:19,470 --> 02:23:16,050
scientists you know they they contract

3677
02:23:22,051 --> 02:23:19,480
work out to different companies you know

3678
02:23:23,520 --> 02:23:22,061
to build the tanks for the aircraft

3679
02:23:25,230 --> 02:23:23,530
you know the tanks are building some

3680
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:25,240
Pentagon factory you know they're built

3681
02:23:30,930 --> 02:23:28,210
by a company that makes important so in

3682
02:23:33,720 --> 02:23:30,940
that sense it would make sense for alien

3683
02:23:35,700 --> 02:23:33,730
technology to be farmed out but you know

3684
02:23:37,380 --> 02:23:35,710
I kind of view that as a little bit

3685
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:37,390
simplistic you know if you're talking

3686
02:23:39,871 --> 02:23:39,130
about technology so advanced it was

3687
02:23:42,451 --> 02:23:39,881
constructed on

3688
02:23:44,011 --> 02:23:42,461
the world you know by beings that are

3689
02:23:47,101 --> 02:23:44,021
vastly different from us and the

3690
02:23:49,351 --> 02:23:47,111
concepts involved may be so far out you

3691
02:23:51,930 --> 02:23:49,361
know could we really have achieved the

3692
02:23:54,241 --> 02:23:51,940
sort of advances that Corso claimed in

3693
02:23:57,211 --> 02:23:54,251
such a short period of time

3694
02:23:59,101 --> 02:23:57,221
you know it's like we get hold of the

3695
02:24:01,021 --> 02:23:59,111
Roswell debris and within a couple years

3696
02:24:03,991 --> 02:24:01,031
you know we've got highly advanced

3697
02:24:06,361 --> 02:24:04,001
computers night-vision equipment fiber

3698
02:24:08,401 --> 02:24:06,371
optics and we've just suddenly out of

3699
02:24:11,461 --> 02:24:08,411
nowhere you know deciphered this

3700
02:24:13,651 --> 02:24:11,471
technology that is vastly advanced of us

3701
02:24:15,841 --> 02:24:13,661
well there's no possibility to which I'd

3702
02:24:19,501 --> 02:24:15,851
like to present but first we have Nick

3703
02:24:21,451 --> 02:24:19,511
Redfern the book is called the pyramids

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I don't want to forget this anniversary

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where Kenneth are told on June 24 1947

3818
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saw nine objects over Mount Rainier in

3819
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the state of Washington sixty-five years

3820
02:29:11,740 --> 02:29:08,840
later we still don't know much more

3821
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:11,750
about what UFOs are we have Nick red car

3822
02:29:15,610 --> 02:29:13,040
in the book is the pyramids in the

3823
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Pentagon from new page books key and we

3824
02:29:19,540 --> 02:29:17,780
got into a little four right here into

3825
02:29:21,730 --> 02:29:19,550
advanced technology part of it of course

3826
02:29:24,490 --> 02:29:21,740
is that if we did recover a craft at

3827
02:29:27,761 --> 02:29:24,500
Roswell or even at Aztec New Mexico how

3828
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:27,771
would we define or discern the advanced

3829
02:29:32,650 --> 02:29:30,170
technology it's like taking the world of

3830
02:29:35,890 --> 02:29:32,660
Edgar Rice Burroughs in 1912 and handing

3831
02:29:38,830 --> 02:29:35,900
Edie my iPhone say figure it out man and

3832
02:29:41,320 --> 02:29:38,840
would it be that way or would some of

3833
02:29:43,450 --> 02:29:41,330
the more obvious elements of their

3834
02:29:45,370 --> 02:29:43,460
technology jumpstart stuff we've already

3835
02:29:47,560 --> 02:29:45,380
been working on well we're already

3836
02:29:49,120 --> 02:29:47,570
working on some things and maybe a few

3837
02:29:50,650 --> 02:29:49,130
of these tidbits will help us but the

3838
02:29:53,770 --> 02:29:50,660
rest we haven't figured out in the next

3839
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:53,780
70 years no IIIi don't dispute that as a

3840
02:29:57,970 --> 02:29:56,000
possibility and and it would be logical

3841
02:30:01,030 --> 02:29:57,980
the only the only thing I kind of

3842
02:30:03,490 --> 02:30:01,040
question in this scenario is the speed

3843
02:30:06,040 --> 02:30:03,500
with which we reportedly did it you know

3844
02:30:08,830 --> 02:30:06,050
not that we achieved it but in some

3845
02:30:10,930 --> 02:30:08,840
cases you know things were kick-started

3846
02:30:13,511 --> 02:30:10,940
modified and you know taken to the whole

3847
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:13,521
next level in pretty much no time at all

3848
02:30:18,130 --> 02:30:15,920
we don't know the history we don't know

3849
02:30:19,900 --> 02:30:18,140
if they manipulated the history who

3850
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:19,910
knows what's gonna happen now we don't

3851
02:30:27,850 --> 02:30:25,130
know disagree the the Bell Labs story

3852
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:27,860
and the transistor and development of

3853
02:30:33,490 --> 02:30:30,650
some of those early technologies lasers

3854
02:30:35,400 --> 02:30:33,500
for instance is yeah I mean it's pretty

3855
02:30:38,500 --> 02:30:35,410
famous in science I mean we're talking

3856
02:30:41,140 --> 02:30:38,510
have many patents hundreds of patents

3857
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:41,150
and there's a ton of documentation

3858
02:30:45,880 --> 02:30:43,130
that's a paper trail for all these

3859
02:30:47,500 --> 02:30:45,890
inventions and development so yeah I

3860
02:30:51,370 --> 02:30:47,510
personally find it very difficult to

3861
02:30:53,320 --> 02:30:51,380
believe that that the corso scenario you

3862
02:30:55,480 --> 02:30:53,330
know is real at face value there's

3863
02:30:57,250 --> 02:30:55,490
there's too much of a paper trail

3864
02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:57,260
now you're right I mean that that's one

3865
02:30:59,290 --> 02:30:57,530
of the

3866
02:31:02,020 --> 02:30:59,300
the big criticisms I have about the

3867
02:31:04,480 --> 02:31:02,030
course our story isn't the the scenario

3868
02:31:06,820 --> 02:31:04,490
that he point that he portrays but it is

3869
02:31:09,490 --> 02:31:06,830
the fact that you quite right that a lot

3870
02:31:13,810 --> 02:31:09,500
of the technology he's talking about in

3871
02:31:16,510 --> 02:31:13,820
various forms already existed you know

3872
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:16,520
for me at least that's an important fact

3873
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:18,170
and yes it could have helped some of our

3874
02:31:22,360 --> 02:31:20,090
programs if they're already in place but

3875
02:31:26,410 --> 02:31:22,370
isn't it kind of a little bit beyond

3876
02:31:28,330 --> 02:31:26,420
coincidence that supposedly you know we

3877
02:31:29,890 --> 02:31:28,340
were already developing transistors

3878
02:31:32,620 --> 02:31:29,900
already developing computers already

3879
02:31:34,710 --> 02:31:32,630
developing lasers and suddenly all of

3880
02:31:36,910 --> 02:31:34,720
these different things reinventing a

3881
02:31:39,970 --> 02:31:36,920
slightly more advanced version of them

3882
02:31:42,820 --> 02:31:39,980
falls into our lap you know it's that to

3883
02:31:44,860 --> 02:31:42,830
me kind of he's too much of a perfect

3884
02:31:46,990 --> 02:31:44,870
picture the whole book was just an

3885
02:31:49,390 --> 02:31:47,000
attempted disinformation let's move to

3886
02:31:53,980 --> 02:31:49,400
one more topic before we split and that

3887
02:31:56,230 --> 02:31:53,990
is crop circles okay so crop circles

3888
02:31:58,780 --> 02:31:56,240
what would the Pentagon know or care

3889
02:32:01,150 --> 02:31:58,790
about crop circles well actually that's

3890
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:01,160
a weird one because he covers several

3891
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:04,640
strands I mean people have said you know

3892
02:32:09,220 --> 02:32:07,040
that there's been a lot of stories about

3893
02:32:10,840 --> 02:32:09,230
government interest in crop circles over

3894
02:32:12,970 --> 02:32:10,850
the years that you know we never got any

3895
02:32:14,530 --> 02:32:12,980
proof of it but that's actually not true

3896
02:32:16,690 --> 02:32:14,540
you know you just got to know where to

3897
02:32:19,660 --> 02:32:16,700
look I mean one of the things I

3898
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:19,670
mentioned in the book is I got hold of a

3899
02:32:24,490 --> 02:32:21,770
whole bunch of files on crop circles

3900
02:32:26,140 --> 02:32:24,500
from the Second World War and from none

3901
02:32:29,020 --> 02:32:26,150
other than mi5 which is the British

3902
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:29,030
equivalence the FBI inside the British

3903
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:32,170
domestic intelligence gathering agency

3904
02:32:35,440 --> 02:32:34,370
basically what happened was in the

3905
02:32:37,960 --> 02:32:35,450
Second World War

3906
02:32:40,360 --> 02:32:37,970
allied pilots flying over Germany or to

3907
02:32:42,850 --> 02:32:40,370
bomb Germany flying over Europe reported

3908
02:32:44,440 --> 02:32:42,860
seeing these huge formations in fields

3909
02:32:46,690 --> 02:32:44,450
not just like straight forward circles

3910
02:32:49,480 --> 02:32:46,700
but you know intricate patterns like

3911
02:32:51,700 --> 02:32:49,490
today's pictograms and the first store

3912
02:32:54,340 --> 02:32:51,710
was quite naturally back then it's got

3913
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:54,350
to be like messages for German fighter

3914
02:32:57,910 --> 02:32:56,090
pilots or bomber pilots you know this

3915
02:33:00,250 --> 02:32:57,920
weird formation they look it up in their

3916
02:33:02,200 --> 02:33:00,260
book and it means approached London from

3917
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:02,210
the Northwest at 11 o'clock and bomb

3918
02:33:05,470 --> 02:33:03,920
Buckingham Palace or whatever you know

3919
02:33:06,970 --> 02:33:05,480
that kind of thing that's which makes

3920
02:33:08,680 --> 02:33:06,980
sense you know that's what they would

3921
02:33:11,050 --> 02:33:08,690
think of something like that what's

3922
02:33:11,591 --> 02:33:11,060
interesting is the fact that these were

3923
02:33:12,911 --> 02:33:11,601
crops

3924
02:33:15,220 --> 02:33:12,921
cause back in the forties and

3925
02:33:16,841 --> 02:33:15,230
military-intelligence was secretly

3926
02:33:18,551 --> 02:33:16,851
looking at them and the files have now

3927
02:33:20,680 --> 02:33:18,561
been Declassified and I you know I

3928
02:33:23,321 --> 02:33:20,690
reproduce quite a few of them in the

3929
02:33:26,261 --> 02:33:23,331
book but further down the line with the

3930
02:33:28,121 --> 02:33:26,271
Freedom of Information Act one of the

3931
02:33:31,421 --> 02:33:28,131
things that I mention is how in the

3932
02:33:35,140 --> 02:33:31,431
1990s because the I reproduce the

3933
02:33:37,751 --> 02:33:35,150
documents in the book is a reference to

3934
02:33:39,581 --> 02:33:37,761
how government personnel military agents

3935
02:33:44,261 --> 02:33:39,591
were actually in attendance at electron

3936
02:33:46,810 --> 02:33:44,271
crop circles in Germany in 1993 at which

3937
02:33:48,011 --> 02:33:46,820
a conference or a lecture that basically

3938
02:33:49,541 --> 02:33:48,021
sort of addressed all the different

3939
02:33:51,281 --> 02:33:49,551
theories you know are they alien on a

3940
02:33:54,251 --> 02:33:51,291
man-made is it something to do with the

3941
02:33:55,961 --> 02:33:54,261
planet itself but beyond that the

3942
02:33:58,810 --> 02:33:55,971
biggest story that I talking about in

3943
02:34:02,591 --> 02:33:58,820
the book is a very weird one where NSA

3944
02:34:04,421 --> 02:34:02,601
analysts were looking at into a rumor

3945
02:34:06,610 --> 02:34:04,431
and granted I point out in the book it

3946
02:34:09,371 --> 02:34:06,620
was a rumor that there was a tie-in

3947
02:34:12,251 --> 02:34:09,381
between the crop circle phenomenon and

3948
02:34:14,350 --> 02:34:12,261
the whole December 2012 phenomenon that

3949
02:34:16,810 --> 02:34:14,360
was of concern for a national security

3950
02:34:19,661 --> 02:34:16,820
perspective now it wasn't from the

3951
02:34:22,541 --> 02:34:19,671
perspective of the NSA somehow stumbled

3952
02:34:24,940 --> 02:34:22,551
upon information you know that yes 2012

3953
02:34:27,491 --> 02:34:24,950
is going to be the end of all things or

3954
02:34:29,140 --> 02:34:27,501
some radical Shaker and it was linked

3955
02:34:30,251 --> 02:34:29,150
with crop circles and they knew it and

3956
02:34:32,381 --> 02:34:30,261
they were trying to hide the truth it

3957
02:34:35,051 --> 02:34:32,391
was actually far more down-to-earth but

3958
02:34:38,591 --> 02:34:35,061
much weirder the NSA had heard a story

3959
02:34:41,440 --> 02:34:38,601
that there were sort of radicals like

3960
02:34:43,980 --> 02:34:41,450
Islamic radicals who had secretly hired

3961
02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:43,990
human crop circle makers to make

3962
02:34:51,341 --> 02:34:48,650
formations of like a 2012 apocalyptic

3963
02:34:53,650 --> 02:34:51,351
scenario or theme to sort of provoke

3964
02:34:55,541 --> 02:34:53,660
anxiety in the British public because

3965
02:34:58,031 --> 02:34:55,551
you know every year crop circles appear

3966
02:34:59,081 --> 02:34:58,041
all over Britain predominately in the

3967
02:35:01,211 --> 02:34:59,091
county of Wiltshire and they get

3968
02:35:03,850 --> 02:35:01,221
splashed all across the newspapers and

3969
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:03,860
if you type in 2012 plus English crop

3970
02:35:07,991 --> 02:35:05,570
circle you'll find countless examples

3971
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:08,001
where not only were they reported all

3972
02:35:12,461 --> 02:35:10,160
across the British media but the British

3973
02:35:15,821 --> 02:35:12,471
media talked specifically about this

3974
02:35:18,821 --> 02:35:15,831
doomsday scenario in the fields and so

3975
02:35:20,501 --> 02:35:18,831
in other words it did create anxiety you

3976
02:35:22,841 --> 02:35:20,511
know and people say well maybe it was

3977
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:22,851
aliens maybe it was human circlemakers

3978
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:25,520
just having a joke but the NSA

3979
02:35:28,870 --> 02:35:27,439
followed up this lead which whether it

3980
02:35:31,300 --> 02:35:28,880
went anywhere we don't really know that

3981
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:31,310
the lead was the radicals were sort of

3982
02:35:36,580 --> 02:35:34,130
trying to exploit the crop circle

3983
02:35:39,099 --> 02:35:36,590
phenomenon to create fear and anxiety

3984
02:35:41,469 --> 02:35:39,109
you know whether it's true you know it's

3985
02:35:43,660 --> 02:35:41,479
sort of a very bizarre theory but it

3986
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:43,670
demonstrates again another link between

3987
02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:45,920
the millet or the intelligence community

3988
02:35:49,750 --> 02:35:48,050
in the ancient past with the Mayans but

3989
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:49,760
for a very different reason you know

3990
02:35:54,160 --> 02:35:52,250
that goes beyond weapons testing or

3991
02:35:56,349 --> 02:35:54,170
whatever but but it's still connected to

3992
02:35:59,319 --> 02:35:56,359
the theme of the book yeah it's a

3993
02:36:05,099 --> 02:35:59,329
Collins elite very responsible the

3994
02:36:06,990 --> 02:36:05,109
Collins really did everything I wouldn't

3995
02:36:09,729 --> 02:36:07,000
joke in it I wouldn't say that

3996
02:36:12,250 --> 02:36:09,739
especially or specifically because the

3997
02:36:14,410 --> 02:36:12,260
Collins elite was actually that fairly

3998
02:36:15,370 --> 02:36:14,420
small body of people but they influenced

3999
02:36:16,630 --> 02:36:15,380
a lot of people they didn't have much

4000
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:16,640
fun in their country were always

4001
02:36:18,340 --> 02:36:17,840
complaining about not having enough

4002
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:18,350
money

4003
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,439
well doomsday sort of you know negative

4004
02:36:25,719 --> 02:36:23,840
vibe but one thing that that has always

4005
02:36:29,380 --> 02:36:25,729
struck me over the years was something

4006
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:29,390
that the newly-appointed right-hand man

4007
02:36:35,889 --> 02:36:31,250
to Laurance Rockefeller Henry diamond

4008
02:36:38,170 --> 02:36:35,899
quite a high-powered lawyer asked me in

4009
02:36:41,080 --> 02:36:38,180
a phone conversation because he was

4010
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:41,090
getting to know some of Lawrence's more

4011
02:36:49,149 --> 02:36:45,439
eccentric pursuits and interest any you

4012
02:36:51,729 --> 02:36:49,159
know I guess a moment of candor he asked

4013
02:36:53,319 --> 02:36:51,739
me if I could tell him why Lawrence was

4014
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:53,329
so interested in crop circle he says why

4015
02:36:57,340 --> 02:36:54,800
is he so interested in these things and

4016
02:36:59,410 --> 02:36:57,350
then he made the very curious aside you

4017
02:37:01,719 --> 02:36:59,420
and I both know this is probably British

4018
02:37:04,090 --> 02:37:01,729
intelligence doing this from space and

4019
02:37:06,130 --> 02:37:04,100
of course my comment was we do and

4020
02:37:08,139 --> 02:37:06,140
basically he I said what about

4021
02:37:09,939 --> 02:37:08,149
atmospheric lensing this and that you

4022
02:37:12,519 --> 02:37:09,949
know how would they do it and he says oh

4023
02:37:14,859 --> 02:37:12,529
they figured all that out in the

4024
02:37:17,290 --> 02:37:14,869
information was basically it's like guys

4025
02:37:20,319 --> 02:37:17,300
with nothing better to do with H's

4026
02:37:22,660 --> 02:37:20,329
sketches creating crop circles in fields

4027
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:22,670
which I you know I'm not sure what to

4028
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:24,409
make of that but the very fact that he

4029
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:27,050
said that in in a pretty sincere

4030
02:37:30,219 --> 02:37:29,210
innocent sounding voice I don't know I

4031
02:37:32,769 --> 02:37:30,229
don't know what to make of it

4032
02:37:35,889 --> 02:37:32,779
Wow what fun this has been so many

4033
02:37:37,599 --> 02:37:35,899
mysteries in this book so many we didn't

4034
02:37:39,010 --> 02:37:37,609
have time to cover but maybe we'll

4035
02:37:41,290 --> 02:37:39,020
revisit them soon

4036
02:37:42,910 --> 02:37:41,300
tell us quickly about the book okay it's

4037
02:37:45,010 --> 02:37:42,920
called the pyramids of the pentagon it's

4038
02:37:46,300 --> 02:37:45,020
basically a study of how military

4039
02:37:48,670 --> 02:37:46,310
government and intelligence agencies

4040
02:37:51,160 --> 02:37:48,680
since the end of the Second World War

4041
02:37:52,300 --> 02:37:51,170
in the US and Germany in the Second

4042
02:37:55,210 --> 02:37:52,310
World War and also Britain with

4043
02:37:57,340 --> 02:37:55,220
Stonehenge have sort of pursued ancient

4044
02:38:00,219 --> 02:37:57,350
mysteries everything from Stonehenge to

4045
02:38:02,170 --> 02:38:00,229
the pyramids the Dead Sea Scrolls Noah's

4046
02:38:04,450 --> 02:38:02,180
Ark all sorts of things like the Ark of

4047
02:38:06,580 --> 02:38:04,460
the Covenant perhaps with a view to sort

4048
02:38:08,880 --> 02:38:06,590
of weaponizing these ancient

4049
02:38:11,139 --> 02:38:08,890
technologies and fantastic constructions

4050
02:38:13,870 --> 02:38:11,149
weaponizing them for the presence and

4051
02:38:16,059 --> 02:38:13,880
the future if they're able to so it's

4052
02:38:18,760 --> 02:38:16,069
like a real-life kind of Indiana Jones

4053
02:38:20,979 --> 02:38:18,770
type scenario using Freedom of

4054
02:38:22,960 --> 02:38:20,989
Information documents and on-the-record

4055
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:22,970
interviews and things like that a real

4056
02:38:27,460 --> 02:38:25,010
fun book a real great read a real

4057
02:38:29,859 --> 02:38:27,470
page-turner from Nick Redfern our friend

4058
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:29,869
Chris O'Brien has his new version of our

4059
02:38:35,019 --> 02:38:32,720
strange planet comets in the final

4060
02:38:37,359 --> 02:38:35,029
stages of perfection but now live for

4061
02:38:39,969 --> 02:38:37,369
everyone's attention we're live at the

4062
02:38:41,950 --> 02:38:39,979
power cast on Twitter and next week

4063
02:38:43,540 --> 02:38:41,960
we'll be talking to James Fox is one of

4064
02:38:45,939 --> 02:38:43,550
the participants of a TV show called

4065
02:38:48,309 --> 02:38:45,949
chasing UFOs from the National

4066
02:38:49,750 --> 02:38:48,319
Geographic Channel Nick Redfern thank

4067
02:38:56,761 --> 02:38:49,760
you for joining us this week on the

4068
02:39:03,310 --> 02:39:00,280
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

4069
02:39:06,150 --> 02:39:03,320
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

4070
02:39:09,881 --> 02:39:06,160
presentation of making the impossible